We still pretending the Warriors didn't make a mistake drafting Wiseman over Lamelo or nah

[Left.A1]

The point is the Warriors are paying the luxury tax now. Before Poole's extension has kicked in. Lamelo is 1000 times better than Poole - they would not hesitate to pay him.

The other thing the Warriors would have been able to do if they had Melo was utilize their leverage of having a capable 3rd guard as his replacement to possibly get a better deal on his extension or flat out open the option of working out a S&T for him without panicking over losing with no young talent at that position moving forward… like the way in which their front office should have played this out could have been endless …what made the LEAST amount of sense however is doing what they did and burning that asset into the absolute dirt because they misevaluated Wiseman and their teams need for more guard help …which was especially egregious considering Klay had just suffered a catastrophic injury that should have projected long term consequences on his ability to be the same caliber of player moving forward.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Why are we pretending like Steph can't play the 2 guard as well as he plays the 1? Curry would have been absolutely fine at the SG role so long as Klay or Wiggins were on the floor. Lamelo's defense isn't anything to write home about but he also has length Steph lacks. They're already small so who gives a damn? He's has never played with anyone with Lamelo's court vision & passing. They would gave meshed perfectly, and God willing, Steph could have worked with the kid on his jumper. The Warriors would have a much better outlook going forward if he's picked over Wiseman, and I'd much sooner trust Lamelo in 3 - 5 years when begins to decline and likely moves off ball entirely than I would Jordan Poole.

You have a guy ready to step in that's soaked up game from a first ballot HoFer & that would honestly be prepared to be your franchise PG as the old guard hands over the reigns. The Wiseman pick was a mistake. He's rotting in Detroit and will likely be out of the league in another year or two. It's okay to admit Golden State got cute and made an easy decision into an unnecessarily contrived one.

Not on the Coli

 

[tremonthustler1]

This is the same weak argument dudes presented during the draft and I’ll say to you what I said then …having too many good players is NEVER a bad thing and Lamelo is not a ball hog …when you start working from the frame of mind that you’re afraid of having too many talented players you start making mistakes…Divincinzo somehow is finding a way to play 26 mpg on this team as another guard but you guys are still trying to sell this stuff about Ball getting in the way of players growth ..I think it’s nonsense ..if worse comes to worse in that situation guess what ..you actually have a valuable trade asset to go out and then balance your team down the road instead of a worthless one like Wiseman was… look at what Sacramento did with Halliburton and flipping him into Sabonis once they realized he and fox wouldn’t work together ..there’s no excuse for drafting Wiseman in tht spot …from a talent evaluation perspective and an asset management perspective it was a stupid process of decision making

I also wouldn't ask LaMelo to take DiVincenzo's role and pay him max money to do it, not when there's a pool (pardon the pun) of DiVincenzo's to pick from for $5 mil every summer.


Now, would LaMelo command value in a trade? Absolutely, but teams are clingy and the reason why there are franchises I call "Clusterfukk City" is because they have talent that can't fully grow unless something gives, and teams are always afraid of trading the wrong guy. They just want it all to sort itself out somehow (it's why I give Sacramento credit for trading Haliburton even though it had to hurt. He'll be amazing, but what the Kings were doing wasn't gonna work without one of Fox/Haliburton being dealt for comparable talent at another position)

Wiseman's demise came from 2 things:

1. He was farther behind than they had time for
2. He lost a whole season due to injury.


Since we're down this road, what mistake was worse: not drafting LaMelo or not trading up to #1?

 

[O.T.I.S.]

All i know is LaMelo with the Warriors would’ve been insane.

Dude can score but that’s REALLY not his game… he’s just the best Ball brother at it. He’s a run and gun too like Poole, but he’s trying to pass not score like that. People that run and attack with him or can hit a 3 ball work VERY well with him. All he needs is a big that can rebound, defend, and finish and cats that can cut/make open shots. He’ll do the rest.

His defense would be the only thing I can think would be an issue but like I said about Poole, if dude is not hitting shots he’s useless. Probably a worse defender than Melo and probably a more CAPABLE scorer, but with his shot selection, lack of real pg skills, can’t rebound better than Melo, can’t create better, can’t defend better, and now shytting the bed this year…

It’s safe to say it was a mistake. Wiseman was the smart choice at the time though, all they needed was a solid big to make a run and they did, but in hindsight it was a huge mistake but it is what it is.

Hornets got some athletic bigs now so we’ll see.. not sure if Bridges returns but LaMelo with Bridges made him a star. LaMelo compliments other players who play like him.

 

[LV Koopa]

The other thing the Warriors would have been able to do if they had Melo was utilize their leverage of having a capable 3rd guard as his replacement to possibly get a better deal on his extension or flat out open the option of working out a S&T for him without panicking over losing with no young talent at that position moving forward… like the way in which their front office should have played this out could have been endless …what made the LEAST amount of sense however is doing what they did and burning that asset into the absolute dirt because they misevaluated Wiseman and their teams need for more guard help …which was especially egregious considering Klay had just suffered a catastrophic injury that should have projected long term consequences on his ability to be the same caliber of player moving forward.

That Wiseman pick...all time terrible. Then all time bad development that tanked his already shytty value.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Real talk, I’m mad for the Warriors for making that Wiseman pick. Basketball fans missed out on a truly epic inter generational team.

 

[LV Koopa]

All i know is LaMelo with the Warriors would’ve been insane.

Dude can score but that’s REALLY not his game… he’s just the best Ball brother at it. He’s a run and gun too like Poole, but he’s trying to pass not score like that. People that run and attack with him or can hit a 3 ball work VERY well with him. All he needs is a big that can rebound, defend, and finish and cats that can cut/make open shots. He’ll do the rest.

His defense would be the only thing I can think would be an issue but like I said about Poole, if dude is not hitting shots he’s useless. Probably a worse defender than Melo and probably a more CAPABLE scorer, but with his shot selection, lack of real pg skills, can’t rebound better than Melo, can’t create better, can’t defend better, and now shytting the bed this year…

It’s safe to say it was a mistake. Wiseman was the smart choice at the time though, all they needed was a solid big to make a run and they did, but in hindsight it was a huge mistake but it is what it is.

Hornets got some athletic bigs now so we’ll see.. not sure if Bridges returns but LaMelo with Bridges made him a star. LaMelo compliments other players who play like him.

Lamelo had PJ Washington looking like a starter when he played. Whenever he sat PJ looked like a G league mascot. That boy would have turned the Warriors into something maybe only the KD level team beats on offense.

 

[Don Homer]

Why are we pretending like Steph can't play the 2 guard as well as he plays the 1? Curry would have been absolutely fine at the SG role so long as Klay or Wiggins were on the floor. Lamelo's defense isn't anything to write home about but he also has length Steph lacks. They're already small so who gives a damn? He's has never played with anyone with Lamelo's court vision & passing. They would gave meshed perfectly, and God willing, Steph could have worked with the kid on his jumper. The Warriors would have a much better outlook going forward if he's picked over Wiseman, and I'd much sooner trust Lamelo in 3 - 5 years when begins to decline and likely moves off ball entirely than I would Jordan Poole.

You have a guy ready to step in that's soaked up game from a first ballot HoFer & that would honestly be prepared to be your franchise PG as the old guard hands over the reigns. The Wiseman pick was a mistake. He's rotting in Detroit and will likely be out of the league in another year or two. It's okay to admit Golden State got cute and made an easy decision into an unnecessarily contrived one.

all facts. All this Poole shyt just shows they should've drafted LaMelo. All that "Poole wouldn't develop" was cope. Simple as that. Warriors used the highest pick theyve had in decades on a bust of a big, traded him as a salary dump to get back a 30 year old role player (GP2) that they already had.

I dont see how anyone can argue that they didnt fukk up.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Why are we pretending like Steph can't play the 2 guard as well as he plays the 1? Curry would have been absolutely fine at the SG role so long as Klay or Wiggins were on the floor. Lamelo's defense isn't anything to write home about but he also has length Steph lacks. They're already small so who gives a damn? He's has never played with anyone with Lamelo's court vision & passing. They would gave meshed perfectly, and God willing, Steph could have worked with the kid on his jumper. The Warriors would have a much better outlook going forward if he's picked over Wiseman, and I'd much sooner trust Lamelo in 3 - 5 years when begins to decline and likely moves off ball entirely than I would Jordan Poole.

You have a guy ready to step in that's soaked up game from a first ballot HoFer & that would honestly be prepared to be your franchise PG as the old guard hands over the reigns. The Wiseman pick was a mistake. He's rotting in Detroit and will likely be out of the league in another year or two. It's okay to admit Golden State got cute and made an easy decision into an unnecessarily contrived one.

there's a difference between going small and being small.


but nobody drafts someone hoping that they won't fully see the return on their investment until the 6th or 7th year individually.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Lamelo had PJ Washington looking like a starter when he played. Whenever he sat PJ looked like a G league mascot. That boy would have turned the Warriors into something maybe only the KD level team beats on offense.

Facts

PJ has talent at his position but to be undersized, I think his ceiling is with LaMelo unless he just changes his game up to specialize in something to where he could be a solid guy off a good teams bench.

Without Lamelo that looks like his ceiling. If Hornets can get LaMelo some IQ, athletic bigs. and consistent shooting they’ll be alright

 

[Braman]

@tremonthustler1 I see where your thinking is flawed let me help you

What you’re doing is thinking ‘well GS plays like xyz, lamelo doesn’t fit with xyz.’

That’s irrelevant bruh. Players come before the system, not the other way around. They can play any way. STEPH can play any way. Dude just had 14 assists, a week after having 50 and taking 38 shots. He can play anywhere anyhow you’re buggin my guy

 

[Michael's Black Son]

Who cares what offense they're running - Lamelo is going to fit no matter what. Already a great shooter that is looking like he'll be an all time great shot creator. Already capable of lifting bottom level offenses to near league average. You put him on GS and he's their 2nd best player in his 2nd year.

GS can play him as their 6th man cutting their wing minutes. They've played Poole/Steph/Klay before, and it's a sure thing Lamelo would eventually start taking over Klay's minutes with him being the primary PG and Steph being off ball.

Regardless it's a silly thought. If you have the ability to draft a superstar to an already loaded team you do it. He's good enough to play in any role.

Exactly.

Melo had to grind past a trash coach who was clearly holding him back and then made some bums look very tolerable. Literally the only two things worth watching in Charlotte are Melo and the hyped announcer. Miles Bridges could’ve been eating but he is intent on crashing out.

GSW fans won’t admit the Melo shyt or the incompetent front office because they know this team is about to be permanently obliterated by Rui Hachimura and the ghost of Scotty Pippen Jr by the end of the week and they’ll say “hey it was a good run”.

 

[Left.A1]

I also wouldn't ask LaMelo to take DiVincenzo's role and pay him max money to do it, not when there's a pool (pardon the pun) of DiVincenzo's to pick from for $5 mil every summer.

1. Dante’s “role” is what it is because thats all his talent allows …a better player in those minutes would obviously give you more value

2. Having to pay a guy max money means you likely have a good player Like my brother what are you even saying here? “Ohh no we have tooo many good players that we have to pay” I don’t understand what kind of argument that is …are you suggesting that you rather have bad players that don’t command high salaries? Help me digest what you’re trying to say here.

Now, would LaMelo command value in a trade? Absolutely, but teams are clingy and the reason why there are franchises I call "Clusterfukk City" is because they have talent that can't fully grow unless something gives, and teams are always afraid of trading the wrong guy. They just want it all to sort itself out somehow (it's why I give Sacramento credit for trading Haliburton even though it had to hurt. He'll be amazing, but what the Kings were doing wasn't gonna work without one of Fox/Haliburton being dealt for comparable talent at another position)

Ok bro so now are you’re insinuating that Lamelo would have looked sooooooo good on the Warriors that they would of course not trade him and thus not extract true value for him? cmon my bro


I just showed you an example of a team that moved on from a young player because of roster construction and the value proposition that young player offers you if you let him go …if the Kings would do that to accommodate building a better team for DeAron Foxx you’re going to sit here and straight face say that the warriors wouldn’t have traded either Ball or Poole to accommodate Steph Curry and building a better balanced team for him?

Like even if what you’re saying about clusterfukk teams is true that’s still a good problem to have as you still have an off ramp in that situation with a trade that can benefit your team.

Wiseman's demise came from 2 things:

1. He was farther behind than they had time for
2. He lost a whole season due to injury.

This is a bunch of excuse making tbh, the guy played what 5 college games, you mean to tell me they didn’t know he was going to be “behind” in his development lmao that’s called neglect at best and incompetence at worst

He wasn’t good before the injury he wasn’t good after the injury he was simply never a good basketball player period… his demise steams from him simply not being good and being OVERDRAFTED based solely on physical traits instead of basketball ability… we’ve seen this time and time and time again with big men in drafts.. especially when they flash a level of athleticism at that size

Since we're down this road, what mistake was worse: not drafting LaMelo or not trading up to #1?

Well I don’t know if the Warriors actually had a competitive package to solicit a move up to #1 at the time. What would that offer have even looked like? And what guarantees the Wolves would have taken it? It’s one thing to say you’re shopping your pick it’s another to make the deal.

There’s variables in that scenario outside of the Warriors pure boneheaded decision making process unlike them directly choosing to draft James Wiseman

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@tremonthustler1 still going hard for his guy whose time is expiring in the league.

 

[tremonthustler1]

@tremonthustler1 still going hard for his guy whose time is expiring in the league.

I've barely mentioned Wiseman. When the Wizards give Deni Avdija a max deal, you can celebrate all summer long.