What does it take to get a "killer instinct" rep?

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

People hate what they can't conquer.

LeBron is clearly the best to ever do it and this new reality shakes people's CORE BELIEFS. People will defend their core beliefs at all cost no matter stupid it makes them look.

Call it the agent smith theory. Every time the matrix is under attack, agent smith shows up with his desert eagle drawn. Every time LeBron turns in an amazing performance that validates how great he is, the usual suspects and even a few new ones show up all

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

breh...the nikka isnt jordan or kobe....

he's more magic than the other 2....

let him be him....

youve seen the nikka comethru in the clutch

i dont know what else cats want to see?

And ive seen him choke multiple times too.


Hes a great, but he aint top 2 great


Yet (if he gets there)

 

[Bilz]

U just said a bunch of nothing.

I mean if the Bron stans wanna pretend like Bron's mental toughness isn't questionable at times then so be it.

Some of yall scrambling trying to quantify using stats but that doesn't put things into CONTEXT which is something I've found Bron stans to be specialists at.

Bron will go 110% when he's front running but as soon as doubt enters his mind that power level can drop as low as 30-40%. His mental is his weakness. Name another all time great player who can say a mental collapse cost them a ring? Yall know what we mean we say these things, as a Bron Stan no way can you not be aware of this.

He was accused of quitting the other day when they were up 25. If he had kept scoring those same people would have just said he was padding stats when the pressure was off.

And I can't think of any all time greats who haven't been accused of mental collapses. That's something that spectators always do. One team won, one team choked. Nowadays its more often one team lost but only won because the other team choked even harder.

 

[ISO]

Name another all time great player who can say a mental collapse cost them a ring? Yall know what we mean we say these things, as a Bron Stan no way can you not be aware of this.

Learn about the history of the game I cannot stress this enough my god

How do you nikkas parrot bullshyt while being completely ignorant

 

[Trapperman Dave]

I think game winner shots close out games and shooting efficiently while putting the game away

 

[homiedontplaydat]

Learn about the history of the game I cannot stress this enough my god

How do you nikkas parrot bullshyt while being completely ignorant

What history involves a mount Rushmore player melting down against an inferior team in the finals like Lebron did in 2011? I'll wait

 

[ISO]

What history involves a mount Rushmore player melting down against an inferior team in the finals like Lebron did in 2011? I'll wait

Magic in '81 First Round facing a 40-42 Houston Rockets team. The Lakers were the FAR better team winning 54 games despite Magic only participating in 37 regular season games. Magic averaged 17 points on 38% FG in the series.

Some NY Times quotes from the series...

"Johnson seemed hesitant and ineffective, far from the confident and joyous youth who took apart Philadelphia as a center last year when Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was injured in the championship series."


"Johnson turned in a dreadful performance, making two of 14 fieldgoal attempts and six of 11 foul shots, including two missed free throws with 30 seconds left that would have greatly affected the outcome. Fifteen seconds later, Mike Dunleavy hit a 15-foot jump shot that gave the Rockets the lead for good."

After the Dunleavy jumper, Magic took one of the worst game tying shot attempts ever a pathetic air ball leaner from midrange. He divided the team by calling out teammates saying they were jealous of his success.

Magic is the guy they called Tragic Johnson after once again choking away the '84 Finals


Wilt Chamberlain in his day was known as a choker...

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

In '81, Boston won the title and Cedric Maxwell not Bird won Finals MVP. Why? Because Bird averaged 15 points on 42% FG and even had an 8 point game and this was against a sub-.500 Houston team one of the worst to make a Finals.

Kobe in '04. The Pistons purposely gameplanned to let Shaq get his and get in Kobe's head so he could shoot them out of games with inefficient perimeter shots.

It worked as Kobe averaged 22 points, 2.8 rebounds, 4.4 assists on 38% from the field and 17% from 3.

 

[homiedontplaydat]

Magic in '81 First Round facing a 40-42 Houston Rockets team. The Lakers were the FAR better team winning 54 games despite Magic only participating in 37 regular season games. Magic averaged 17 points on 38% FG in the series.

Some NY Times quotes from the series...

"Johnson seemed hesitant and ineffective, far from the confident and joyous youth who took apart Philadelphia as a center last year when Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was injured in the championship series."


"Johnson turned in a dreadful performance, making two of 14 fieldgoal attempts and six of 11 foul shots, including two missed free throws with 30 seconds left that would have greatly affected the outcome. Fifteen seconds later, Mike Dunleavy hit a 15-foot jump shot that gave the Rockets the lead for good."

After the Dunleavy jumper, Magic took one of the worst game tying shot attempts ever a pathetic air ball leaner from midrange. He divided the team by calling out teammates saying they were jealous of his success.

Magic is the guy they called Tragic Johnson after once again choking away the '84 Finals


Wilt Chamberlain in his day was known as a choker...

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

In '81, Boston won the title and Cedric Maxwell not Bird won Finals MVP. Why? Because Bird averaged 15 points on 42% FG and even had an 8 point game and this was against a sub-.500 Houston team one of the worst to make a Finals.

Kobe in '04. The Pistons purposely gameplanned to let Shaq get his and get in Kobe's head so he could shoot them out of games with inefficient perimeter shots.

It worked as Kobe averaged 22 points, 2.8 rebounds, 4.4 assists on 38% from the field and 17% from 3.

None of those are as bad as Lebron in 2011

Its context.

Magic was already a NBA champion and a finals MVP b4 any of what u posted happened AKA he was already certified

Wilt was washed in 73. What other other all time greats were playing with him during those other years you listed? Id imagine it can't be that hard to shut down the only offensive option the team has during a series. Hes a big man who misses freethrows big deal, hell Bron can't shoot em either

Bird was 2 years into the league in 81, how u compare that to an 8 year veteran Lebron melting down in the finals

Kobe was already a 3X champion in 2004 and had already proven that he was not afraid of big moments. He wasnt even the number one option in 2004 like Lebron was in 2011.



You just listed a bunch of bad games, none of the those players u listed were AFRAID of the moment like Bron was in 2011. None of those players were getting shutdown by defenders as bad as JJ Barea, Washed Jason Kidd, and Jason Terry. None of those guys promised a championship to their city only to be the worst player in the finals.

Bron was in his prime in 2011, was surrounded by 2 top 15 players in the league at the time, and hadn't won any rings up until that point. You can't say all that about any of the guys in the scenarios you listed. 2011 was by far the biggest meltdown by an all time great player in NBA history. Doesn't matter how many bad games you google from other players

 

[Houston911]

LeBron absolutely has a killer instinct

People just remember the bad more than the good

When 6'8 250 pound LeBron is being single covered by jj barea in the finals and he passes the ball, it stands out

When LeBron takes a paycut so he can play with two stars then predicts 8 rings, only to lose to a team with one star while being the 5th leading scorer in that series, it stands out.

Looking at percentages without context is nerd shyt

 

[ISO]

None of those are as bad as Lebron in 2011

Its context.

Magic was already a NBA champion and a finals MVP b4 any of what u posted happened AKA be was already certified

Wilt was washed in 73. What other other all time greats were playing with him during those other years you listed? Id imagine it can't be that hard to shut down the only offensive option the team has during a series. Hes a big man who misses freethrows big deal, hell Bron can't shoot em either

Bird was 2 years into the league in 81, how u compare that to an 8 year veteran Lebron melting down in the finals

Kobe was already a 3X champion in 2004 and had already proven that he was not afraid of big moments. He wasnt even the number one option in 2004 like Lebron was in 2011.



You just listed a bunch of bad games, none of the those players u listed were AFRAID of the moment like Bron was in 2011. None of those players were getting shutdown by defenders as bad as JJ Barea, Washed Jason Kidd, and Jason Terry. None of those guys promised a championship to their city only to be the worst player in the finals.

Bron was in his prime in 2011, was surrounded by 2 top 15 players in the league at the time, and hadn't won any rings up until that point. You can't say all that about any of the guys in the scenarios you listed. 2011 was by far the biggest meltdown by an all time great player in NBA history. Doesn't matter how many bad games you google from other players

You moving the goalposts foh nikka

Magic didn't have bad "games" that was a horrendous SERIES. I didn't give you examples of "bad games". LeBron has never lost to no under .500 team in the first round, he's never lost in the first round period. Stop with the semantics.

I gave you Wilt dating back to 1962 his 50 point season through his PRIME. He played with Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Paul Arizin other HoF's he wasn't the only offensive option goofy. He was a notorious choker who lost with home court 5 times and played under his season averages in the playoffs and choked games at the line. LeBron can't shoot them either? You comparing a 74% FT to Wilt. He's lost very few games at the line. You a dumb ass.

Magic couldn't post 5'9, 6'1, and 6'3 defenders in his choke.

Oh bu bu but they had rings they played with HoF teammates from the jump dumb ass they didn't come into the league with fukking Darius Miles and Ricky Davis of course they had rings. How you talking context when you ignoring the shyt ya self to shyt on Bron?

Your mind is already set and you a biased mothafukka so what's the point here. You wrong period history shows you that period.

 

[homiedontplaydat]

You moving the goalposts foh nikka

Magic didn't have bad "games" that was a horrendous SERIES. I didn't give you examples of "bad games". LeBron has never lost to no under .500 team in the first round, he's never lost in the first round period. Stop with the semantics.

I gave you Wilt dating back to 1962 his 50 point season through his PRIME. He played with Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Paul Arizin other HoF's he wasn't the only offensive option goofy. He was a notorious choker who lost with home court 5 times and played under his season averages in the playoffs and choked games at the line. LeBron can't shoot them either? You comparing a 74% FT to Wilt. You a dumb ass.

Magic couldn't post 5'9, 6'1, and 6'3 defenders in his choke. So stop with this Barea shyt, and stop acting like Marion and Stevenson weren't the primary LeBron defenders.

Oh bu bu but they had rings they played with HoF teammates from the jump dumb ass they didn't come into the league with fukking Darius Miles and Ricky Davis of course they had rings

Your mind is already set and you a biased mothafukka so what's the point here. You wrong period history shows you that period.

Boy shut yo emotional out of context ass up

I made my point. Warriors in 4

 

[ISO]

Boy shut yo emotional out of context ass up

I made my point. Warriors in 4

You better hope Kang don't win dumb ass nikka

 

[Rice N Beans]

U can't quantify it with just stats imo, killer instinct relies a lot on the eye test. Killer instinct is nothing more than supreme mental toughness, this applies across many things in life not just basketball.

U can see it in the eyes and the body language.....and I know what LeBron James looks like when he stops believing in himself. You can tell when LeBron is ready to quit, you can tell when you've taken his spirit to compete.

Yes LeBron has had his moments where he stepped up, but you're lying to yourself if you as a LeBron fan don't worry about his mental toughness at times. Especially at the end of big games.

shyt that eye test is a huge part of it.

Sometimes it's stone cold face of no expression, or the mental ravaging from flexing in front of your opponents.

All about how you dealt the damage and how you showed it.

 

[Originalman]

Take the shots yourself instead of passing it off to your all-star team-mates




You remember when he dropped 25 straight to close out a game that ONE time, thats a killer instinct.

I agree on the closing seconds in game 6 of the 1993 NBA finals MJ should have never passed the ball to pippen (who ended up passing to a wide open grant who ended passing it back out to paxson for 3).

 

[Originalman]

You have to bite your jersey when resting or at the line in the clutch, you must always keep an intense face, after every big shot you hit you have to fist pump and stare down, when the media interviews you have to let them know how much of a badass you are, also very important never pass up a game winning shot even if you are doubled, even if you are struggling, even if you have little room to operate. It doesn't matter how many GW's you miss, the casuals will only watch highlights of your makes. It doesn't matter if you hurt your team bricking all 4Q or even game as long as you hit a tying shot or game winning shot.

This is how you get the reputation of a killer. Having the best elimination games of All-Time, having the most playoff GW's of All-Time, leading the league in 4Q scoring on ocassion, none of this matters.

Yep also going 10 for 30 or 10 for 34 shooting games. Not passing to teamates scoring 50 and 60 in a game with 1 assist.

That is killer instinct and clutch....