What former players get completely WRONG about today's NBA -- Thinking Basketball got the receipts

[Bigblackted4]

Just because you played at a high level don’t mean you opinion automatically more valid that’s the dumbest shyt I’ve ever heard. Also nikka the three in those videos were wide open stfu with this the reason the took a long two was because of rhythm they just couldn’t shoot.

Right if that was the case then every GM and Coach would be a former high level player, a lot of times the players that wasn’t as great study the game harder because their talent won’t let them just kill everyone

 

[UpAndComing]

You literally are using the outlier and a team that scored 59 points in a finals game

I literally named 5 teams, 4/5 who were in the NBA Finals with perennial playoff success. I'll add another, the David Robinson Spurs, that's 6

And bringing up a 59 point game. Are we talking about the style of play that was prevalent in the 90s that influenced this modern era or how many points they scored?

Ya'll aren't even trying to have a proper rebuttal lol

 

[Bigwhite2498]

Not sure you really watched the video. The main point was that there are more 3s primarily because the long 2s that was commonplace pre-2015 was just players stepping two feet back to shoot 3 pointers. Basically the same shots but a couple feet farther

And if 3 of the 4 teams I mentioned were all teams that appeared in the NBA Finals, how can you even say that those are "outliers". Another coach I didn't mention in my original post was Jerry Sloan who was the godfather of this era. Last time I checked the Jazz had 2 Finals appearances and perennial playoff success. Hardly outliers. Now tell me this Jazz offense in the 90s isn't used heavily in this Modern era





And I say this not even to diss this current Modern era. But the premise, that this era is some "high science compared to a dinosaur era" is a misnomer

I did watch the video and the reason they shoot the threes is because they are more skilled that’s the point they are better shooters. Do you know what outlier means nikka it means they did something that wasn’t normal I said nothing about them making the finals. Just that the vast majority of teams played like the teams in the video

 

[Bigwhite2498]

You literally are using the outlier and a team that scored 59 points in a finals game

I don’t think he understands what outlier means breh lmao

 

[Bigwhite2498]

I literally named 5 teams, 4/5 who were in the NBA Finals with perennial playoff success. I'll add another, the David Robinson Spurs, that's 6

And bringing up a 59 point game. Are we talking about the style of play that was prevalent in the 90s that influenced this modern era or how many points they scored?

Ya'll aren't even trying to have a proper rebuttal lol

5 outta how many nba teams that’s why it’s called outlier idiot

 

[UpAndComing]

I did watch the video and the reason they shoot the threes is because they are more skilled that’s the point they are better shooters. Do you know what outlier means nikka it means they did something that wasn’t normal I said nothing about them making the finals. Just that the vast majority of teams played like the teams in the video

5 outta how many nba teams that’s why it’s called outlier idiot

Personal attacks doesn't alter points

If the majority of the NBA teams that were SUCCESSFUL had that style, then it's not an outlier, they were the pinnacle of and the example of how 90s basketball was played. Let's go by your thought process that 5-7 teams had similar styles of today, and other teams played different... wouldn't that make the 90s more versatile with more imagination than today? And you still have not refuted that the teams named had influence in the NBA today

In the video in the OP, the narrator also mentioned, "The NBA allowed an extra GATHER STEP to make it possible for the NBA players to make more fancy moves". Basically an excuse for traveling. My point is that nothing is new under the sun, this isn't a advanced vs dinosaur argument that ya'll are making it seem

Don't get mad because you haven't watch the video you are defending lol

 

[NYC Rebel]

My dad specifically mentions them when trashing the league back then lol

That shyt was trash.

 

[Art Barr]

This whole start of this video was flaw.

That his whole argument starts off as cap. From his early rants.

Plus this shyt was so flaw. I refuse to watch anymore.


As this goof.
Never talked about hand checking and being under full duress.
taking any field goal on a pro nba court.

Of course the new generation can shoot from whatever distance now. They are not being guided in the air. via hand check under full duress.
So they are not under any physical level of duress compared to the old guard.

Not to mention.
When the video first starts. He tries to cap at spacing back in the old guard at the very beginning.

When he says the spacing was taken away during a bulls fastbreak advantage. That Horace eliminates spacing because Horace never ran to the to tre ball line.
When if Horace was a tre ball shooter hypothetically.
Horace would have been in violation of simple in play theory. That if you shot a three in that scenario. The long miss would generally result in a long defensive rebound. Which would result more than likely in a fast break advantage in the other direction. Plus the mental and emotional response from making that stoopid ass decision. Could have gave the other team an emotional advantage.
that could possibly cause sweeping change to the entire complexion of the game and actual series.
No mention from this guy.

On what the response is. From a botched fast break resulting in a missed three pointer.
Then resulting in a mental unforced error into a dunk.

you would have gotten and should be benched. For even suggesting that bj. Should have directed a power forward on a fast break advantage to not go to the hole. Plus provide support. In the event of a failed high percentage shot under duress to cultivate an offensive rebound.

This guy sound like he played white boi ball from this take. That I feel if you did some goofball shyt he says is a solution. You would still be benched and never make another organized team roster.
trying to emulate this white boi country club analytic bullshyt.


Art Barr

 

[2legit]

The Utah Jazz scored 63 points in the NBA finals!!! That's terrible offense not great defense.

You literally are using the outlier and a team that scored 59 points in a finals game

Both of you underestimated how shytty the Jazz were. They scored 54 Points in a Finals game. They scored 23 points in a half

1998 NBA Finals Game 3: Jazz vs Bulls, June 7, 1998 | Basketball-Reference.com

UTA (54) vs CHI (96). Get the box score, shot charts and play by play summary of the Jazz vs Bulls Game 3, June 7, 1998.

www.basketball-reference.com

 

[Erratic415]

My dad specifically mentions them when trashing the league back then lol

Also when Mark Jackson or Charles Barkley would post a guy up until there was two seconds left on the shot clock, then they would take a fadeaway.

Both of you underestimated how shytty the Jazz were. They scored 54 Points in a Finals game. They scored 23 points in a half

1998 NBA Finals Game 3: Jazz vs Bulls, June 7, 1998 | Basketball-Reference.com

UTA (54) vs CHI (96). Get the box score, shot charts and play by play summary of the Jazz vs Bulls Game 3, June 7, 1998.

www.basketball-reference.com

It was so out of character too. Almost all of their games in those finals came down to the wire. Then you have this awful game when Utah only scores 54.

That was also the game Pippen messed up his back by taking too many charges from the Failman.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

Personal attacks doesn't alter points

If the majority of the NBA teams that were SUCCESSFUL had that style, then it's not an outlier, they were the pinnacle of and the example of how 90s basketball was played. Let's go by your thought process that 5-7 teams had similar styles of today, and other teams played different... wouldn't that make the 90s more versatile with more imagination than today? And you still have not refuted that the teams named had influence in the NBA today

In the video in the OP, the narrator also mentioned, "The NBA allowed an extra GATHER STEP to make it possible for the NBA players to make more fancy moves". Basically an excuse for traveling. My point is that nothing is new under the sun, this isn't a advanced vs dinosaur argument that ya'll are making it seem

Don't get mad because you haven't watch the video you are defending lol

It’s not my fault you don’t understand outlier idiot. 5-7 teams playing different from the majority makes them outliers. That’s literally the definition of outlier. I never said anything about dinosaurs you did. I said the players are more skilled hence them taking those 3s instead of stepping in to take long twos. Which is why we get more 3 point shots

 

[mastermind]

The reason sometimes players took long twos is cause they were in rhythm and taking what the defense gave them.

you watched those jumpers and came away with this? This is just stubborn

 

[UpAndComing]

It’s not my fault you don’t understand outlier idiot. 5-7 teams playing different from the majority makes them outliers. That’s literally the definition of outlier. I never said anything about dinosaurs you did. I said the players are more skilled hence them taking those 3s instead of stepping in to take long twos. Which is why we get more 3 point shots

Getting emotional like a pimple faced teenager doesn't alter any facts. Still got alot to learn kid

 

[Nigerianwonder]

We gotta stop associating proficiency with math and understanding and using data with white folks. Secondly, current athletes are playing how they play. They obviously think this is the best way. According to you own logic, isn't their opinion more valid than yours and everyone else complaining who aren't actually playing (including former athletes who only know how it was when they were playing and really have no idea what it is like out there now)?

Nobody said anything about math or data being white folk stuff. Analytics can be helpful but it doesn't tell you everything. There are so many other factors to consider. Playing in rhythm like I mentioned, intimidation factor of some players on offense and defense, limiting easy transition buckets from long rebounds from missed 3's, hustle and in game leadership etc. You cant really measure that stuff. Real ballers know the importance though.

Spurs lost last night by 1 point and Wemby took 9 three pointers and only made 1. He took 20 fg's for the game and had just 16 points. Wemby is a much greater threat in the paint due to his size and skill than he is hanging out at the 3 point line. It's a waste of his height advantage. A guy like shaq was so unstoppable in the paint teams decided to just foul him instead of trying to defend if he got the ball in the paint. NBA had to make rule changes to stop the "hack a shaq". In the modern era yall would be having shaq pass it out from the paint for someone to chuck up a 3.

Every week we see even good teams getting blown out by 30 to 40 points cause their 3 pointers didn't fall that night. That's just bad and unwatchable basketball. Just cause some current athletes think playing this way is the best doesn't mean it is. Older players feel their way was better so it's all subjective. But what is not subjective is that the current NBA ratings are down from past years. So the fans are telling you they are not entertained with 3 point contests.

 

[FTBS]

Nobody said anything about math or data being white folk stuff. Analytics can be helpful but it doesn't tell you everything. There are so many other factors to consider. Playing in rhythm like I mentioned, intimidation factor of some players on offense and defense, limiting easy transition buckets from long rebounds from missed 3's, hustle and in game leadership etc. You cant really measure that stuff. Real ballers know the importance though.

Spurs lost last night by 1 point and Wemby took 9 three pointers and only made 1. He took 20 fg's for the game and had just 16 points. Wemby is a much greater threat in the paint due to his size and skill than he is hanging out at the 3 point line. It's a waste of his height advantage. A guy like shaq was so unstoppable in the paint teams decided to just foul him instead of trying to defend if he got the ball in the paint. NBA had to make rule changes to stop the "hack a shaq". In the modern era yall would be having shaq pass it out from the paint for someone to chuck up a 3.

Every week we see even good teams getting blown out by 30 to 40 points cause their 3 pointers didn't fall that night. That's just bad and unwatchable basketball. Just cause some current athletes think playing this way is the best doesn't mean it is. Older players feel their way was better so it's all subjective. But what is not subjective is that the current NBA ratings are down from past years. So the fans are telling you they are not entertained with 3 point contests.

Attributing everything wrong with the game to "pimply faced CACs" says otherwise. I am all for considering all factors involved. But you limited everything analytic nerds and former players opinions. That's not considering all the factors. And you did not answer my question.