What Happened After a 16-year-old Chose FAMU Over Harvard

[bigDeeOT]

It's interesting you say this because I get the feeling you completely looked
over the "I too am harvard" article.
Right in the very article ( which I'm sure you can look up)
several students detailed instances where they had to deal with a
sort of benign racism. i.e. backhanded compliments on their speech,
attire and musical interests and dealing with tokenism.
A few even had to deal with some outright stuff like called one young
woman who was called "Shaniqua" (or something roughly equivalent to that)
and another was called a "N*****".

While I agree in that I don't think ALL the white students at any given campus are
racist, I totally and completely disagree with your dismissal of any racism outright.

I never said or implied there wasn't any racism. My argument is that although there is racism, the blacks EXACERBATE the issue by isolating themselves from everyone else. Further, the examples you cited are just what I said earlier. Its black people assuming that no one likes them because of some subtle remarks in class. How about they actually go up to these white students so they can get to know each other? Where are the testimonies of blacks claiming they have tried to make a bunch of friends with white people but got shot down? There are none because blacks don't even want to make friends with white people. Blacks are just as racist as whites.

 

[KenyaDoll]

Nah, not just test scores. And I didn't say they aren't as qualified I said I know of people who were more qualified than they were. I have an Indian friend whose academics were better, had better extra curriculars and didn't get into a single top Ivy, MIT, or anything. While pretty much every single one of our black classmates who had above a 4.0 and 1900 on the SAT got into at least one Ivy or some other top school [MIT]. This is from personal experience and friends of mine whose transcripts I've seen. If you compared his transcript to my brothers for example and removed the name, 100% chance you take his every time.

Interesting. If those people are still qualified and fit what admissions wants for a WELL ROUNDED class then all of those white and Asian people you know are just going to have to suck it up.

It's one thing if these people are completely unqualified but it's another if they are all qualified but they simply like one app over the other. I'm sure there was a low-income white student from Oklahoma or some other random city who also got admitted before your friend, but maybe, just maybe they added something to the environment that your friend didn't (while STILL being qualified to attend the university).

 

[KenyaDoll]

The original post you quoted didn't say they didn't see much change in graduation rates. It said that the less selective schools saw a bigger change than the selective ones. Even the selective schools saw a higher graduation rate.

"And we find that on-time college (degree) attainment rates either remained constant or increased slightly after passage of Prop 209 "

So this study directly contradicts what you would conclude are one of the benefits of affirmative action. You would say that the benefits are that more blacks receive a college degree with affirmative action. So then if we stopped affirmative action, we should see less blacks attain college degrees. This is not true.

My exact quote said "MORE SELECTIVE colleges "did not see as much of a difference" I didn't say there was no difference at all.

 

[bigDeeOT]

More qualified based on what? Solely test scores?

If that's the case then Asians should be the majority population at all prestigious schools.

Asians ARE vastly overrepresented at ALL prestigious schools. The fact that you even say this proves you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[theworldismine13]

Interesting. If those people are still qualified and fit what admissions wants for a WELL ROUNDED class then all of those white and Asian people you know are just going to have to suck it up.

It's one thing if these people are completely unqualified but it's another if they are all qualified but they simply like one app over the other. I'm sure there was a low-income white student from Oklahoma or some other random city who also got admitted before your friend, but maybe, just maybe they added something to the environment that your friend didn't (while STILL being qualified to attend the university).

but that's the thing, they do suk it up, they suk it up by giving you the side eye and assuming that black students are only there because of AA, and they are correct in thinking that, and that bolsters their sense of superiority

the problem with AA is that its distracting black people from the real issues, white liberal invented AA and black people are following their lead, AA is not a real issue and its not the key to increasing black students at ivy league schools

instead of following the lead of white liberals, i would suggest we take a step back and focus on fundamentals

 

[bigDeeOT]

The biggest indicator of success at a college is a student's GPA and SAT. The biggest indicator of success at medical school is a student's undergraduate GPA and MCAT.

To admit students with significantly lower numbers is to set them up for failure.

 

[KenyaDoll]

You're out of your mind. Look at the acceptance rates for blacks vs whites vs asians at medical schools. Blacks with a 31 MCAT and 3.6 GPA have over a 90% chance of getting accepted. Whites and asians with those same states have like a 60% chance or less.

You see this same trend for EVERY type of graduate school. Look up the acceptance rate, by race, that controls for GRE and GPA.

Every time I make a point you refuse to address it. You keep changing the subject. Why don't you actually address the issue of blacks having a higher graduate rate after prop 209?

This is why our community is in the state its in today. The vast majority of blacks are like you. They refuse to look at the evidence when it contradicts their belief. They will keep their head in the sand all day and say they're victims of the system. 9

Malcolm X said blacks are fool for voting democrat. We vote democrat at the rate of 80% and it has nothing to do with us researching the issues of republicans vs democrats, but everything to do with the fact that we LOVE to have a victim mentality. Liberals feed us this kind of nonsense quite well and people like you eat it up. Now in 2014, we have blacks voting democrat at the rate of 95%. Malcolm X was right. Black people will believe quite literally anything you tell them.

You've tried to make points by quoting theories from non academic articles. When you did finally post an academic article I addressed within the context of the state and schools that it applies to. You simply didn't like my response.

If the vast majority of black were like me we would be in a much better state. I graduated with honors from a top 20 university and am getting my phd from the very same university that you were going to try to finagle your way into by transferring because you clearly weren't qualified to get in the regular way (that is why it's so funny that you want to talk about who is and is not qualified when you were trying to sneak in through the back door).

 

[Cabbage Patch]

but that's the thing, they do suk it up, they suk it up by giving you the side eye and assuming that black students are only there because of AA, and they are correct in thinking that, and that bolsters their sense of superiority

the problem with AA is that its distracting black people from the real issues, white liberal invented AA and black people are following their lead, AA is not a real issue and its not the key to increasing black students at ivy league schools

instead of following the lead of white liberals, i would suggest we take a step back and focus on fundamentals

This bears repeating.

 

[KenyaDoll]

but that's the thing, they do suk it up, they suk it up by giving you the side eye and assuming that black students are only there because of AA, and they are correct in thinking that, and that bolsters their sense of superiority

the problem with AA is that its distracting black people from the real issues, white liberal invented AA and black people are following their lead, AA is not a real issue and its not the key to increasing black students at ivy league schools

instead of following the lead of white liberals, i would suggest we take a step back and focus on fundamentals

They can give me the side eye all they want. I'm still going to be an Ivy league grad, I can easily produce evidence of my 90th percentile GRE scores, my work and CV speak for themselves, and I can easily show evidence that white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action (so maybe they should take their bitterness some where else).

 

[Cabbage Patch]

You've tried to make points by quoting theories from non academic articles. When you did finally post an academic article I addressed within the context of the state and schools that it applies to. You simply didn't like my response.

If the vast majority of black were like me we would be in a much better state. I graduated with honors from a top 20 university and am getting my phd from the very same university that you were going to try to finagle your way into by transferring because you clearly weren't qualified to get in the regular way (that is why it's so funny that you want to talk about who is and is not qualified when you were trying to sneak in through the back door).

Pause. You have fukked up your argument. Let other people make personal attacks. Don't go there, yourself. Especially not THERE.

 

[KenyaDoll]

Asians ARE vastly overrepresented at ALL prestigious schools. The fact that you even say this proves you don't know what you're talking about.

Overrepresented does NOT equal majority which is what my quote said. Just stop!

 

[mcellas]

Look man, I didn't even read the article so I dont know his story... All I know is this nikka picked a raggedy ass HBCU over the #1 school in the country...

Watch yo mouth FAMU is a good school don't let the media fool you. And the bytches

 

[Cabbage Patch]

They can give me the side eye all they want. I'm still going to be an Ivy league grad, I can easily produce evidence of my 90th percentile GRE scores, my work and CV speak for themselves, and I can easily show evidence that white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action (so maybe they should take their bitterness some where else).

You'll learn.

 

[KenyaDoll]

Pause. You have fukked up your argument. Let other people make personal attacks. Don't go there, yourself. Especially not THERE.

You PAUSE. First of all if you go back and read, HE is the one that said the black community is the way it is today because of people like me. Is that not a personal attack?

I have the right to defend myself.

 

[KenyaDoll]

You'll learn.

Tell me what I'm going to learn. Please school me.