What Happened After a 16-year-old Chose FAMU Over Harvard

[theworldismine13]

I am a Harvard doctoral student. I asked you for data to support your arguments. You gave me theories to support your argument. That's not the same. When you gave me data, I wanted to discuss the data. You still want to discuss theory and draw conclusions from the data that you simply cannot.

You are? That's cool, but you are wrong, you need to stop listening to all those white liberals at your school

 

[bigDeeOT]

First of all, that was for California only, second it wasn't as evident in SELECTIVE schools (the topic at hand) which were already admitting qualified candidates. You didn't prove a thing.

But it WAS evident. They said it was MORE evident in the lower ranked schools but it still was evident in the higher ranked schools. You asked me for data to back up my claim and I provided it for you. Now you're trying to tap dance around the point!

Sweetie, I have a master's degree in Sociology. That why I think it is funny that you are trying to use data to make conclusion beyond what the data can speak to...

There's nothing funny about it! The conclusions I make are 100% verbatim the conclusion the authors make in the study from PRINCETON.

Finally, I've already stated my conclusion to the UT Austin article (not academic study). The average percentile ranks for Black was 52% a lot lower than that of whites. I would also love to know where that percentile fits into the minimum admissions criteria. If 52% is lower than what is needed to succeed then they should not be admitted, but if it is then why are you mad?

Kenya I hope you see from my perspective why I don't think you have any critical thinking skills.

"If 52% is lower than what is needed to succeed then they should not be admitted, but if it is then why are you mad?"

It's not about whether or not its POSSIBLE for a student with a low GPA or SAT to succeed or not. It's about the CHANCES of a student succeeding. I am sure you can show me numerous ANECDOTES of people admitted with a low GPA, who end up graduating top of the class. But that doesn't give us the big picture. The big picture is this.

For example I'm going to UT Austin for engineering in the fall, and the average GPA for transfer applicants is a 3.5. If the cutoff is a 3.0, that doesn't mean they should let in a whole bunch of applicants with a 3.0. Applicants with a 3.0 are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to graduate than those with a 3.5 or better. This is fact, not speculation.

My point is, affirmative action will fill up the class with more lackluster applicants, who end up having a low graduation rate. If they treated blacks as everyone else, the percentage of lackluster black applicants would decrease, and so the graduation rates for blacks would go up. This is exactly what I just proved in the princeton study but you don't want to believe it.

 

[bigDeeOT]

I am a Harvard doctoral student. I asked you for data to support your arguments. You gave me theories to support your argument. That's not the same. When you gave me data, I wanted to discuss the data. You still want to discuss theory and draw conclusions from the data that you simply cannot.

You keep trivializing the "theories" I provide but you refuse to actually address the merits of the argument. You're like some kind of religious person.

 

[KenyaDoll]

You are? That's cool, but you are wrong, you need to stop listening to all those white liberals at your school

Thank you but I'm not wrong (you are the God of all things right and wrong). I have my own thoughts and opinions. I guess that means you should stop listening to all those conservatives on Fox?

 

[mcellas]

Thats whats up... did you join a frat

Naw bruh wasn't my thing them nikkas had to kiss too much ass to join that shyt I met some dudes from Detroit and we squd up and had our own shyt throwing parties fukking bytches hitting licks

 

[bigDeeOT]

I am fine if you feel that way consistently for all racial groups, but what I find problematics is trying to single out Black people to say they don't belong when "unqualified" white students are the major group taking the place of these "more deserving" Asian students.

Talking about the "undeserving" students of all races.

Well just to be clear I think people of all races that aren't qualified should be denied admission.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Anyway I'm out. Peace. Congrats on Harvard.

 

[theworldismine13]

I am fine if you feel that way consistently for all racial groups, but what I find problematics is trying to single out Black people to say they don't belong when "unqualified" white students are the major group taking the place of these "more deserving" Asian students.

Talking about the "undeserving" students of all races.

I never said anything about unqualified, you can be perfectly qualified but being qualified is not good enough

I'm black and I'm singling out black people becuase I want black people to dominate and over represent without being dependent on some social experiment by white liberals, I think it's important for black people to develop our own solutions independent of the admissions office

I never said black students don't belong I said that a lot of black students get into Harvard through AA, everybody knows that, and it's used as evidence to knock black students, I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just saying it happens

 

[KenyaDoll]

But it WAS evident. They said it was MORE evident in the lower ranked schools but it still was evident in the higher ranked schools. You asked me for data to back up my claim and I provided it for you. Now you're trying to tap dance around the point!


There's nothing funny about it! The conclusions I make are 100% verbatim the conclusion the authors make in the study from PRINCETON.


Kenya I hope you see from my perspective why I don't think you have any critical thinking skills.

"If 52% is lower than what is needed to succeed then they should not be admitted, but if it is then why are you mad?"

It's not about whether or not its POSSIBLE for a student with a low GPA or SAT to succeed or not. It's about the CHANCES of a student succeeding. I am sure you can show me numerous ANECDOTES of people admitted with a low GPA, who end up graduating top of the class. But that doesn't give us the big picture. The big picture is this.

For example I'm going to UT Austin for engineering in the fall, and the average GPA for transfer applicants is a 3.5. If the cutoff is a 3.0, that doesn't mean they should let in a whole bunch of applicants with a 3.0. Applicants with a 3.0 are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to graduate than those with a 3.5 or better. This is fact, not speculation.

My point is, affirmative action will fill up the class with more lackluster applicants, who end up having a low graduation rate. If they treated blacks as everyone else, the percentage of lackluster black applicants would decrease, and so the graduation rates for blacks would go up. This is exactly what I just proved in the princeton study but you don't want to believe it.

I don't really care what you think about my critical thinking skills. Someone thought they were better than yours I got into UT Austin for grad school too, but I turned it down.

Depending on the school, the 52nd percentile means the student can succeed and in some schools the 52nd percentile means that they can't. That is why some schools have higher thresholds than others. Maybe UT Austin is one of those schools were they can AND do succeed.

To the bolded, you keep making things up because I acknowledged that the rates when up with the most difference being in less selective schools. Stop making things up that I never said.

 

[KenyaDoll]

I never said anything about unqualified, you can be perfectly qualified but being qualified is not good enough

I'm black and I'm singling out black people becuase I want black people to dominate and over represent without being dependent on some social experiment by white liberals, I think it's important for black people to develop our own solutions independent of the admissions office

I never said black students don't belong I said that a lot of black students get into Harvard through AA, everybody knows that, and it's used as evidence to knock black students, I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just saying it happens

Well then you need to take that up with admissions because they are looking for and selecting qualified students based on their criteria, but according to your standard their criteria could be better.

To your second paragraph, I completely understand. I want that for black people too. I, personally, think we can to do that by continuing to provide (not restrict) opportunities and paying it forward by teaching other Black students how be just as competitive as other races of students.

 

[KenyaDoll]

 

[theworldismine13]

Well then you need to take that up with admissions because they are looking for and selecting qualified students based on their criteria, but according to your standard their criteria could be better.

To your second paragraph, I completely understand. I want that for black people too. I, personally, think we can to do that by continuing to provide (not restrict) opportunities and paying it forward by teaching other Black students how be just as competitive as other races of students.

i am taking it up with admissions, not personally but im co-signing the anti affirmative action movement

yeah I think black people forming a black solution is the key, so we agree on that

 

[Primordial]

He seems to be jumping around quite a bit, he seems lost.

However, it's not such a bad thing he turned down Harvard, black people get treated like shyt there. Everywhere you go on campus those white students are staring at you and talking about you "He's only here because of affirmative action" blah blah blah.

Ive brought it up a couple times here, my bro goes to Yale and he didn't really like it there for reasons not too far from this

Yea the racial factor is one element, class is another but its a lil deeper than that. There are direct pipelines from specific private/prep/top public schools to these Ivies...I wouldn't be suprised if they comprised close to the majority of the student population, it's at least a significant portion....most of these kids know each other or the rep that their previous school carries...if ur bro didn't come up thru that pipeline then he is a natural outsider from the jump

 

[Insensitive]

I never said or implied there wasn't any racism. My argument is that although there is racism, the blacks EXACERBATE the issue by isolating themselves from everyone else. Further, the examples you cited are just what I said earlier. Its black people assuming that no one likes them because of some subtle remarks in class.

I'd say they're well within their right to assume someone doesn't like them when
they openly disrespect them.
On top of that, I don't think blacks "exacerbate the issue" by some sort of
perceived isolation.This isn't applied to other people who willfully segregate themselves
like Asians,Indians or hell even their fellow White students, so I have no idea
why it's being used here as a "bad thing" for blacks.

How about they actually go up to these white students so they can get to know each other?

I think they already DID THAT, hence the reason WHY they expressed DISGUST with how their
attempts at friendship were met with passive aggressive racism.

Where are the testimonies of blacks claiming they have tried to make a bunch of friends with white people but got shot down?

It's 2014, I'm sure this happens often.
Either way it has absolutely nothing to do with actual mistreatment students
faced at an Ivy League.

There are none because blacks don't even want to make friends with white people.

This is complete bullshyt.

Blacks are just as racist as whites.

I like how you claim you aren't making an attempt to denounce
racism OR make it okay on the other side when this is a clear attempt
at doing so.

 

[bigDeeOT]

I think they already DID THAT, hence the reason WHY they expressed DISGUST with how their
attempts at friendship were met with passive aggressive racism.

No they didn't.

This is complete bullshyt.

No it isn't, just read the posts on this forum. A lot of people here talk about how they either don't like white people or they don't want to be in a place full of white people like a predominately white university. They say the cultures just don't mix. Whenever a black person grows up around nothing but blacks and then goes to a white university, it's a "culture shock." They feel alone because they don't know how to interact with white people or they feel weird about it.

It goes both ways. Both blacks and whites may feel awkward to interact with each other because of a difference in culture. Same thing with whites vs indians or asians. People may be afraid to talk to each other because of a difference in culture. However it is only the black who will whine and cry about how he's being "oppressed" because people dismissed his comments in class.

What do you have to say about foreign students? Foreign students who smell like curry and talk with a huge accent SURELY turn off other white students. I'm quite sure some white students will just walk right past them without acknowledging their existence. And yet you don't see any indians whining and crying about how they're being "isolated" from the other white students. It is only blacks that like to make a commotion about everything.

Look at those videos of the "I too am harvard" testimonials and you won't find not one testimony of someone saying they tried making friends with multiple people but got shot down every time. I don't think a single person said they tried making friends with even ONE person.

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