what if the Thunder traded Westbrook instead of Harden?

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Well harden has clearly been better then Westbrook this season

:what: he's averaging 26/5/6 while Russ is averaging 23/5/8

to me its a wash statistically and this with Russ having another dude on the team averaging 28ppg

if Russ was on Houston and their run-n-gun offense, he'd be averaging 30ppg

there's a reason Harden came off the bench and Russ was the starter when they were at OKC
 

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Even if we traded Russy, Brooks dumbass would probably try playing Harden off the bench :manny:

I don't have a problem with the Harden trade. It had to be done & it hasn't killed us. Even if we make it back to the finals & played the Heat & lose, saying it's because of the Harden trade will be the dumb shyt that is pushed by the media. We aren't beating the Heat unless Brooks dumbass finally decides to try something other than playing Perk so much.

I wish we could have kept our core together but we couldn't because of the CBA. Thunder got punished for doing to good at drafting.
 

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Harden SG
26.2ppg/5.9ast/4.7rebs

Westbrook PG
23.2ppg/7.6ast/5.2rebs

the SG scores more, the PG has more assists and rebounds.

Ibaka's scoring has gone up and he's still improving, Thabo's 3pt shooting has increased, KMart is basically putting up the same numbers Harden was giving off the bench, and Reggie is finally playing and becoming more confident in his play and giving another option off the bench and to play alongside Russ and KD.

the team is 48-17 with the highest point differential in the league, what's the issue here:what:. they cant keep everybody and they decided to keep the big man(that took less) that can score and give them 20+pts and 10+rebs when needed and even when he isnt looked at to score or be involved on offense still can have a positive impact on defense.
 

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:what: he's averaging 26/5/6 while Russ is averaging 23/5/8

to me its a wash statistically and this with Russ having another dude on the team averaging 28ppg

if Russ was on Houston and their run-n-gun offense, he'd be averaging 30ppg

there's a reason Harden came off the bench and Russ was the starter when they were at OKC
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Look at the roles and what their surrounded by. West plays with argubaly the best player in the league or second best. He benefits from that. ANd miss us with run-n-gun inflation. Westbrook has just as much freedom in his offense as Harden in Houston and its apparent since he take more shots per game than Harden, but isnt the man in OKC. Thats absurd.

I prefer Harden.He has good leadership skills and he doesnt get baited or frustrated by his opponent's competitveness. Last year Dragic used to get in Westbrook head and ahve him wnted to the breaks on that white nigguh. And it resulted in us winning the season series.
 

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Even if we traded Russy, Brooks dumbass would probably try playing Harden off the bench :manny:

I don't have a problem with the Harden trade. It had to be done & it hasn't killed us. Even if we make it back to the finals & played the Heat & lose, saying it's because of the Harden trade will be the dumb shyt that is pushed by the media. We aren't beating the Heat unless Brooks dumbass finally decides to try something other than playing Perk so much.I wish we could have kept our core together but we couldn't because of the CBA. Thunder got punished for doing to good at drafting.

agree 100 percent check my earlier post when i said this

i would hate to not see this young boyz get em a ship cuz of Brooks stubborn ass

i couldnt believe this nikka was actually playin Perkins so much in the finals
hes useless imo not even a great rebounder
 

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Harden SG
26.2ppg/5.9ast/4.7rebs

Westbrook PG
23.2ppg/7.6ast/5.2rebs

the SG scores more, the PG has more assists and rebounds.

Ibaka's scoring has gone up and he's still improving, Thabo's 3pt shooting has increased, KMart is basically putting up the same numbers Harden was giving off the bench, and Reggie is finally playing and becoming more confident in his play and giving another option off the bench and to play alongside Russ and KD.

the team is 48-17 with the highest point differential in the league, what's the issue here:what:. they cant keep everybody and they decided to keep the big man(that took less) that can score and give them 20+pts and 10+rebs when needed and even when he isnt looked at to score or be involved on offense still can have a positive impact on defense.

:beli: If thats the case, they need that everynight. It would only make the offense more efficient and cut down on the turnovers. But thats not the case.
 
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they need to trade him for a BIG MAN POST PLAYER.... thers not many options tho


with durants deadly range.. that team needs to play inside out.. thats a championship formula thats proven to be scuccefull through out history...


right now there built kind of like MIA but the problem is that they will NEVER be able to beat the heat at their own game the fast run and gun ish..

the only way to beat MIA is to be physical and have a inside defenive and post presence and IBAKA is not THE ANSWER... hes a great weak side defender but he shouldnt be a 3rd option on a championship caliber team..



imagine if they traded :youngsabo: for LOVE/RUBIO that would be :leon: i would move ibaka to C


rubio
sefalosha
durant
love
ibaka


im a laker fan tho :manny: just thinking out loud here.. and i see K.LOVe in LA's future imagine him in D'antoni sysytem his game was made for that system..
 

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:beli: If thats the case, they need that everynight. It would only make the offense more efficient and cut down on the turnovers. But thats not the case.
some nights Westbrooks leads the team in rebounding, or Durant, or Collison off the bench, hell Thabo led them in rebounding before.

KD and Russ get their shots and then some one steps up to be that 3rd scorer or it becomes a group effort outside of those 2. It was exactly like this last year too. hell some games Harden wouldnt show up at all but someone else would carry the load.

it depends on matchups and who has an advantage and its not gonna be everybody's night.
 

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:beli: If thats the case, they need that everynight. It would only make the offense more efficient and cut down on the turnovers. But thats not the case.

Don't need his scoring every night but i wish he dedicated himself to the defensive glass.
 

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Even if we traded Russy, Brooks dumbass would probably try playing Harden off the bench :manny:

I don't have a problem with the Harden trade. It had to be done & it hasn't killed us. Even if we make it back to the finals & played the Heat & lose, saying it's because of the Harden trade will be the dumb shyt that is pushed by the media. We aren't beating the Heat unless Brooks dumbass finally decides to try something other than playing Perk so much.

I wish we could have kept our core together but we couldn't because of the CBA. Thunder got punished for doing to good at drafting.

It's a fukking travesty. All this talk about small markets and the system they put in place punishes small markets that do a good job of spotting talent. If Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka had been able to stay together for a decade. :wow: What's even worse is that the solution is so fukkin simple yet no one has the vision or the balls or cares enough to put it out there. All you gotta do give teams a break in terms of the luxury tax or the cap itself when it comes to re-signing guys that they drafted or that have been with a team for a certain amount of time. If I am not mistaken that was the intent behind "Bird rights" to begin with. This current set up is a sham.
 
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Look at the roles and what their surrounded by. West plays with argubaly the best player in the league or second best. He benefits from that. ANd miss us with run-n-gun inflation. Westbrook has just as much freedom in his offense as Harden in Houston and its apparent since he take more shots per game than Harden, but isnt the man in OKC. Thats absurd.

I prefer Harden.He has good leadership skills and he doesnt get baited or frustrated by his opponent's competitveness. Last year Dragic used to get in Westbrook head and ahve him wnted to the breaks on that white nigguh. And it resulted in us winning the season series.

dude. playing with another top scorer doesn't help your stats

just look at Kobe after Shaq....he put up monster numbers once Shaq left

great players are hurt more statistically when they play with other ball dominant players

look at how Wade went from scoring 30ppg to being a 22ppg scorer with LeBron

playing with another great player doesn't help your stats

if Russ played in Harden's place he'd have better numbers
 
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you think its going to get any different with the personnel we have? :heh:. 3 of the starting players have some of the worst ast% Turnover rates in the league, it is a complete miracle how this squad has positive results in the first place. ball movement will never exist with this team, especially by playing with the current big men. Ibaka is one of the lowest assisting big men in NBA history.

:beli: but somehow Rondo (leading the league in assists) before the injury wouldn't help ball movement with another good passer in Harden and a more willing passer now in KD
 

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agree 100 percent check my earlier post when i said this

i would hate to not see this young boyz get em a ship cuz of Brooks stubborn ass

i couldnt believe this nikka was actually playin Perkins so much in the finals
hes useless imo not even a great rebounder

Perk is fine in the right matchups. He isn't a defensive stopper or anything but he makes other teams bigs work hard for the points. The problem against the Heat is they don't have someone who is posting up so Perk is basically worthless against them, but Brooks wants the Heat to try & matchup against us. Brooks is stubborn as shyt & has realized this season that we can play small & be effective but when we play the Heat he refuses to play small.
 

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Perk is fine in the right matchups. He isn't a defensive stopper or anything but he makes other teams bigs work hard for the points. The problem against the Heat is they don't have someone who is posting up so Perk is basically worthless against them, but Brooks wants the Heat to try & matchup against us. Brooks is stubborn as shyt & has realized this season that we can play small & be effective but when we play the Heat he refuses to play small.

the part thats gone be an issue to me and kinda was last year

Miami is elite at playin small ball but the Thunder cant keep up esp if they not working on it during the reg season
but when the Thunder play big they STILL dont have somebody thats gone give the Heat problems thats the real problem to me
the advantage they want/have isnt really an advantage imo
the Heat dont wanna see a team like Memphis, San Antonio int he finals cuz they got skilled bigman
but if the thunder wanna win they need to start nick collison at the 5 in the finals imo...he waaaayy more active/can run the floor a lil better then Perk imo
 
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