What "intangible" IT factor is J. Cole missing that Drake seems to have?
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Cole lacks technical aspects.
Its been 5 years. We've seen Drake basically never been out-shined on a track he didn't let happen himself.
Yeah, Cole is more relatable at this point, but even his reliability isn't conveyed that well because at the end of the day, he's just not that great of a rapper.
Say if Drake went conscious (and he used to be), you know J Cole would never eat again because Drake is just better at putting words together than he is...thats everything from Cadence, Confidence, rhythms, flows, punchlines, metaphors, similes, rhymes, wit, style, flair, envy, creativity....all that.
Remember when Drake said "Lesbihonest" That shyt was probably the word of 2009.
And lets address this women thing...Drake is way more honest than cole...cause at the end of the day Drake says a lot more personal shyt that dudes and girls can relate to when it comes to actual feelings. J Cole is that "project window" type. Even though Drake didn't live as rough as Cole did, you'd never tell because when it comes to emotion you can't ever say Cole appears more sincere than Drake except a few times here or there and the rest of the time it comes off incredibly forced. Its almost all a gimmick at times with Cole.
Look at Cole's recent promo. Its like its his first album or something. Dude is seen riding on bicycles in NYC. Looking homely with the haircut. Looking like he's an indie artist again or something. Its all marketing.
Its only so long he can play that that average nikka phase without either some commercial viability or just his fans growing up and realizing how limited he is.
Cole's biggest hits relied HEAVILY on the features and chorus of the songs. Miguel. Missy Elliott. Trey Songz.
You know his "quotables" or anything approaching that are severely lacking if not-noneexistant sans a few obvious ad-libs or what not.
Cole is a B student in a B-/C+ era. Thats kinda the problem.
Dude has nothing to offer except that you know he's just a laid back dude who seems to have a strong sense of self and the sincerity of what rap fans claim they'd do when they "make it" themselves.
Drake transcends what he wishes he could do or could be and instead takes risks to see where he can go or challenge what else he can do.
I know people on here say I hate cole...and I don't. I enjoy when he actually brings the heat...but its so far and few in-between at this point that I just generally write him off. He's just a super average rapper who tries to skate on the laurels that he's "saying something important" instead of actually saying important things REALLY WELL. And theres a major difference in being able to do so.
My favorite example of this whole debate is this single clip where Drake shows up to J Cole's concert release for Cole's LAST album and basically steals the show
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Its been 5 years. We've seen Drake basically never been out-shined on a track he didn't let happen himself.
Yeah, Cole is more relatable at this point, but even his reliability isn't conveyed that well because at the end of the day, he's just not that great of a rapper.
Say if Drake went conscious (and he used to be), you know J Cole would never eat again because Drake is just better at putting words together than he is...thats everything from Cadence, Confidence, rhythms, flows, punchlines, metaphors, similes, rhymes, wit, style, flair, envy, creativity....all that.
Remember when Drake said "Lesbihonest" That shyt was probably the word of 2009.
And lets address this women thing...Drake is way more honest than cole...cause at the end of the day Drake says a lot more personal shyt that dudes and girls can relate to when it comes to actual feelings. J Cole is that "project window" type. Even though Drake didn't live as rough as Cole did, you'd never tell because when it comes to emotion you can't ever say Cole appears more sincere than Drake except a few times here or there and the rest of the time it comes off incredibly forced. Its almost all a gimmick at times with Cole.
Look at Cole's recent promo. Its like its his first album or something. Dude is seen riding on bicycles in NYC. Looking homely with the haircut. Looking like he's an indie artist again or something. Its all marketing.
Ehhhh...COLE will have a longer career than drake
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Its only so long he can play that that average nikka phase without either some commercial viability or just his fans growing up and realizing how limited he is.
Cole's biggest hits relied HEAVILY on the features and chorus of the songs. Miguel. Missy Elliott. Trey Songz.
You know his "quotables" or anything approaching that are severely lacking if not-noneexistant sans a few obvious ad-libs or what not.
Cole is a B student in a B-/C+ era. Thats kinda the problem.
Dude has nothing to offer except that you know he's just a laid back dude who seems to have a strong sense of self and the sincerity of what rap fans claim they'd do when they "make it" themselves.
Drake transcends what he wishes he could do or could be and instead takes risks to see where he can go or challenge what else he can do.
I know people on here say I hate cole...and I don't. I enjoy when he actually brings the heat...but its so far and few in-between at this point that I just generally write him off. He's just a super average rapper who tries to skate on the laurels that he's "saying something important" instead of actually saying important things REALLY WELL. And theres a major difference in being able to do so.
My favorite example of this whole debate is this single clip where Drake shows up to J Cole's concert release for Cole's LAST album and basically steals the show
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SpacelySprockets
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What does Drake talk about that Cole doesnt outside of every single relationship he's ever been in?
GhettoNintendo
chill its a secret b
this nikka napoleon really has no life
Cole is having the (dare I say it) Big KRIT issue when it comes to production.
They rely WAY too much on their own perceived abilities at this point and it seems to have hurt them.
or I do, and I added a thorough opinion to a question on a music message board that you happen to be yourself reading as if this shyt matters in the grand scheme of anything remotely productive?
To a degree most other artists wish they could be.
who has time for that fake aggression though?Someone hasn't listened to "Firing Squad" yet
This dude name drops but then says "i'm kidding" all the time.
I mean...come on dude
That's hilarious, I just got the album today and haven't got around to listening to it yetSomeone hasn't listened to "Firing Squad" yet
I've often said that this "rappity rap rap" thing that people seem to like is the most overrated aspect of making MUSIC
Cause al those words don't matter if they can't be digested properly in the context of the song as a whole including music, tone, feel, and a whole other host of contextual characteristics that make good songs great.
Dudes think every syllable has to be filled with some lyric or vocal bit and its just not true.
If you want dudes to focus more on your lyrics, go write a book or an essay or something.
Lyrics are an important part of rap, but it seems like many artists forget that sometimes less is more and they forget that their lyrics are another instrument, not merely the leader of the "band" so to speak
people who don't understand this are the exact same people scratching their heads trying to figure out why Rich Gang is getting the love they're receiving lately, Quan and Thugger literally freestyle all of their songs and are putting out better quality music than the nikkas who are structuring flows and trying to perfect punchlines and other bullshyt.
Drake has a more embarrassing way of talking about it that dudes basically won't ever admit they feel.
Marvin's Room was damn near a classic song because of this feeling.
Your average rapper is going to sit around and tell you how hurt he is, but will still maintain that edge.
Drake will sit here and basically make you feel as depressed as you once felt and won't feel ashamed about doing it.
Its WAY more raw and sincere that way...effectively making you have more of an emotional connection to it.
Cole talking about women: "I missed her and I can't lie. I liked these things we used to do. I wish you were still here"
Drake talking about women: "I'm sitting here wondering when you will call and I can't keep this front up any longer because its tearing me up on the inside and I put this front on just to keep from losing myself"
Now...most dudes won't admit to feeling like Drake did...and will opt to make themselves sound like Cole...but on the real, I guarantee you most dudes hate that Drake exposed how they REALLY felt on the inside.
Not Crodie
All Star
they're both bad, but drake knows how to sell and he knows how to appeal to these girls