What keeps Ice Cube from being labeled the GOAT rap artist?

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All of the references to sticking objects (including his own penis) into other men's orifices.
 

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The Lost Tapes has some of the best production of any album that came out in the 2000's and arguably better than any Cube album.





and you picked the 4 standout songs on Lost Tapes :banderas: Everything else on that album just doesn't compare to the brilliance of these 4, mostly because of production.

Lost Tapes holds up better than any Cube album. I have no problem saying that.
 

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The Predator is more of a classic than Stillmatic and any Nas album not named Illmatic. Hell even IWW has been debated at times. At least Cube has 2 UNQUESTIONABLE classics.
Lmaooo dawg nobody gives a fukk about The Predator. Just an overall delusional statement. :mjlol:

Make a poll on any forum The Predator vs. any of the aforementioned Nas albums, and Cube is losing.

Also, which of the two beats I posted were bad? :francis:
 

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I think that's nonsense, there's a bunch of rappers that have claims of being in a top 20...

2Pac
Nas
Scarface
Biggie
Rakim
KRS-One
Big Daddy Kane
LL Cool J
Kool G Rap
AZ
Slick Rick
Ghostface
Raekwon
Jay Z
Chuck D
Big Pun
Guru
Common
Cormega
Bizzy Bone

There's 20 rappers just there that could be in a conversation, not that they should be above or below Cube but it's a choice and a preference, there's no way any of those would be out of place... People need to realise it's a preference and people will differ and it's not neccesarily a case of being right or wrong, that's like saying there's under 20 great Hip Hop artists which I disagree with...

And didn't even mention others who I've seen or could be in a conversation such as...

Prodigy
Kool Moe Dee
Z-Ro
Q Tip
Melle Mel
K-Rino
Pharohe Monch
Brother Ali
Talib Kweli
Slug
Fat Joe
Big L
Andre 3000
Canibus
Jadakiss
Ras Kass
Tragedy Khadafi
Chino XL
Wise Intelligent
Grand Puba
Jeru Tha Damaja

If talking most iconic or biggest Cube guranteed to be there, but best is subjective and there could be many many MC's that would be worthy on a list.
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How is it false? Cube has never rapped over a beat like Nas is Like or The World is Yours. Cube doesn't have nikkas freestyling over his beats decades later like Nas does. People are flipping Nas beats and making hits out of them today. Cube doesn't have an album with production as good as Illmatic, an album that had the who's-who of East Coast producers at their peaks. I don't even think Cube has an album with better production than It Was Written or Lost Tapes especially running these shyts back in 2016.

Voice is subjective I disagree and lyrically Nas is atleast a tier above Cube. Cube's strength was content and storytelling he was not seeing no Nas and a bunch of others lyrically. His schemes and vocab was basic AF.

How does Cube have the better body of work? Cube has two classics, three aight albums, and everything else is forgettable to :trash:.

Nas has at least two classics, arguably three and has way more critically acclaimed albums.

Guess we not gonna count those 3 classic group albums that Cube got with 3 separate groups:sas1:...and I guess u sayin Predator is just aight,Raw Footage and laugh now cry later is just aight,war and peace:comeon:?if them albums are just aight,u know how many "aight" and downright mediocre albums Nas got:laff:?and Cubes schemes is wack now?Cube was an evolved versions of Chuck D rhyme wise,more than Nas is an evolved version of Kool G rap....u nikkas just lack perspective,talking about Cube ain't a pure lyricist as if that was ever his intent...his intent as an emcee is different,but the fact remains Cube is better at what he does on the mic than Nas.

Plus Nas is like ain't impressive as a beat,I don't care how much east coast nikkas and backpackers love illmatic...most of the beats don't do much for me,unless u enjoy souls baseless music like most backpackers do:mjpls:
 

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Guess we not gonna count those 3 classic group albums that Cube got with 3 separate groups:sas1:...and I guess u sayin Predator is just aight,Raw Footage and laugh now cry later is just aight,war and peace:comeon:?if them albums are just aight,u know how many "aight" and downright mediocre albums Nas got:laff:?and Cubes schemes is wack now?Cube was an evolved versions of Chuck D rhyme wise,more than Nas is an evolved version of Kool G rap....u nikkas just lack perspective,talking about Cube ain't a pure lyricist as if that was ever his intent...his intent as an emcee is different,but the fact remains Cube is better at what he does on the mic than Nas.

Plus Nas is like ain't impressive as a beat,I don't care how much east coast nikkas and backpackers love illmatic...most of the beats don't do much for me,unless u enjoy souls baseless music like most backpackers do:mjpls:
Westside Connection and Lench Mob got classic albums now?

I might as well say "yo that Firm album was a classic." :camby:

Those albums are just aight, I actually liked Raw Footage. None of them shyts is better than Nas' second tier of albums. So you gonna tell me Raw Footage is a better album than God's Son? Like, you really think The Predator is a better album than Stillmatic. All that shyt is forgettable nobody talks about any Cube album post-Lethal Injection.

Bu bu Cube is a different type of MC. Stop it he couldn't rhyme like Nas, Jay, Pac, Biggie and a lot of other nikkas who get thrown in the convo, his shyt was basic scheme, word play, and vocab wise and I acknowledged his strengths and that's that. Chuck D wasn't better than G Rap and Cube ain't better than Nas. But bu Cube would eat Nas on the mic yet this nikka got ethered by Common.

Illmatic doesn't do it for YOU, it sure did it for all the other rappers who studied it and name it as one of their favorite albums as well as millions of hip hop fans. How you listen to a record like One Love or It Ain't Hard To Tell and say it lacks soul is beyond me.
 
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Guess we not gonna count those 3 classic group albums that Cube got with 3 separate groups:sas1:...and I guess u sayin Predator is just aight,Raw Footage and laugh now cry later is just aight,war and peace:comeon:?if them albums are just aight,u know how many "aight" and downright mediocre albums Nas got:laff:?and Cubes schemes is wack now?Cube was an evolved versions of Chuck D rhyme wise,more than Nas is an evolved version of Kool G rap....u nikkas just lack perspective,talking about Cube ain't a pure lyricist as if that was ever his intent...his intent as an emcee is different,but the fact remains Cube is better at what he does on the mic than Nas.

Plus Nas is like ain't impressive as a beat,I don't care how much east coast nikkas and backpackers love illmatic...most of the beats don't do much for me,unless u enjoy souls baseless music like most backpackers do:mjpls:

cube rhyme schemes were ridiculous nas has a typical rhyme scheme.
 

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Cube is Top 15/10 material.

My top 5 is too crowded as it is. I've got like seven rappers I cycle into my top 5 depending on the day. :russ:
is the names in your sig your top 10?


as for the topic Cube is a top 5(hes in mine) easily but I think thats where it stops. But i can see a argument for him being a GOAT but I think Jay, Nas, Face, Pac , and some others have much better arguments due to their longevity of quailty albums, amazing highs, and/or rapping skills,etc
 

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Nas easily has 3 classics - Illmatic , It was written , Stillmatic

But so does Cube- Amerikkas, Certificate, Predator.

idk why yall sayin they just have 2
 
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he fell off in the 90s during a time when several other goats appeared and overshadowed him

his successful acting career also kinda overshadowed the fact that he was the top rapper at one point
 
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