What ruined Marvel comics?

[Amo Husserl]

The bolded would be true if Manga wasn't taking over the culture and dominating the charts.

I'm surprised how many young black men are into manga and anime. And it's not just nerds.

RDCWorld are like the most popular black content creators and heavy into that shyt and they an bytchless incels.

Marvel got to get back on their shyt. People buying Manga in America.

I remember when Cowboy Bebop first hit Adult Swim. Saturday was the anime block and Sundays were for American sitcom animation. They'd rerun DBZ episodes at midnight during the week.

Yuyu Hakusho came on around 1a.m. Saturdays, Inuyasha, Outlaw Star, Gundam movie events. Tenchi Muyo, Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing on Toonami.
Tech TV/G4 had an anime block where I caught Evangelion, Duel, Betterman, Magical Shopping Arcade.

MTV ran Aeon Flux.

Fushigi Yuugi, Slayers, and Akira on the higher channels.

Remember seeing Ghost in the Shell on VHS in the late 90s in the local library not knowing what it was.

Uncle put me on Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust when it hit theaters.

Pops put me on OG Speed Racer, Gigantor, and Astroboy.

Got put on to Newtype and found out about Full Metal Alchemist and some other shows.

FLCL was on another level, I got the first run of DVDs.

Suncoast!

Late 90s - mid 00s cable was undefeated.

 

[Easy-E]

was what one of the last overt "tumblr" comics marvel had planned.


safespace and snowflake if I remember correctly

They must have some young HR

I remember when Cowboy Bebop first hit Adult Swim. Saturday was the anime block and Sundays were for American sitcom animation. They'd rerun DBZ episodes at midnight during the week.

Yuyu Hakusho came on around 1a.m. Saturdays, Inuyasha, Outlaw Star, Gundam movie events. Tenchi Muyo, Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing on Toonami.
Tech TV/G4 had an anime block where I caught Evangelion, Duel, Betterman, Magical Shopping Arcade.

MTV ran Aeon Flux.

Fushigi Yuugi, Slayers, and Akira on the higher channels.

Remember seeing Ghost in the Shell on VHS in the late 90s in the local library not knowing what it was.

Uncle put me on Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust when it hit theaters.

Pops put me on OG Speed Racer, Gigantor, and Astroboy.

Got put on to Newtype and found out about Full Metal Alchemist and some other shows.

FLCL was on another level, I got the first run of DVDs.

Suncoast!

Late 90s - mid 00s cable was undefeated.

You bringing back memories.

Of course I watch DBZ damn near every weekday and I remember Cowboy Beebop by name (because I thought it was a funny name).

Ghost in a Shell is a name I remember, but, I recently watched the whole thing on YouTube. Dope.

Speed Racer was anime? I watched a lil of that.

I guess anime just started coming on, more, on network TV round the time I graduated high school. I just never expected it to dominated with the young brehs like it do. Every young black YouTuber fukk with anime, hard. They clown Batman and Superman (LongBeachGriffy...who's a bit of a nerd).

 

[richaveli83]

1. The Direct Market. The first comic book I ever bought was X-Men Vol. 2 #1 at 7-Eleven. I was going there to buy candy and passed by the magazine rack and saw some dude with knives coming from his fist and some guy with one eye shooting lasers. As a kid I was like and instead of buying candy I bought that issue. Back then you didn't have to go to a comic book shop to buy comics. Any place that sold magazines had comics. Much easier for someone to check out a book if they see it on newsstands.

2. The suits forcing writers to make comics fit in with the movies. Changing up costumes to make them look like the movies, changing characters personalities to match the movies, or just outright downplaying characters and canceling books because the parent company can't use those characters in movies.

3. The books are overpriced. Kind of goes back to my first point. I bought my first comic for about a $1.00. Granted that was over 30 years ago but they were still affordable. Now a single issue is $4. Magazines are priced similar but you get more content. If you add a couple of dollars more you could rent a game via redbox or buy a game on your cellphone and get more bang for your buck.

I know we can only choose three but I think another issue which is also effecting DC is instead of writing stories that can be told in one or two issues, writers are stretching stories out to like 5+ issues so the story can be sold months later as a graphic novel.

 

[Amo Husserl]

They must have some young HR


You bringing back memories.

Of course I watch DBZ damn near every weekday and I remember Cowboy Beebop by name (because I thought it was a funny name).

Ghost in a Shell is a name I remember, but, I recently watched the whole thing on YouTube. Dope.

Speed Racer was anime? I watched a lil of that.

I guess anime just started coming on, more, on network TV round the time I graduated high school. I just never expected it to dominated with the young brehs like it do. Every young black YouTuber fukk with anime, hard. They clown Batman and Superman (LongBeachGriffy...who's a bit of a nerd).

Speed Racer was early anime. Funny thing is, I watched so much of it I didn't notice this until recently:

Spider-Man: The Animated Series (TV Series 1994–1998) - IMDb

Spider-Man (TV Series 1994–1998) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more.

www.imdb.com

The Animation Department of the series had quite a few Japanese animators whose work overlaps with some well-known anime series. I watched so much anime growing up I recognize the style now. Some of them even worked on Batman TAS.

Another note, this didn't look Japanese:

Avatar: The Last Airbender (TV Series 2005–2008) - IMDb

Avatar: The Last Airbender (TV Series 2005–2008) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more.

www.imdb.com

Animation Department is largely Korean, which makes sense because the animation doesn't feel Japanese for the time if you understand me. Each decade had a specific style, and Avatar's animation didn't look like other animes of the time. You can't call it an anime, it was inspired but Spider-Man TAS was more anime in style than Avatar.

For context, Champloo dropped the same year as Avatar:

The fluidity of the animation and attention to detail is what I pay attention to.

 

[Amo Husserl]

1. The Direct Market. The first comic book I ever bought was X-Men Vol. 2 #1 at 7-Eleven. I was going there to buy candy and passed by the magazine rack and saw some dude with knives coming from his fist and some guy with one eye shooting lasers. As a kid I was like and instead of buying candy I bought that issue. Back then you didn't have to go to a comic book shop to buy comics. Any place that sold magazines had comics. Much easier for someone to check out a book if they see it on newsstands.

2. The suits forcing writers to make comics fit in with the movies. Changing up costumes to make them look like the movies, changing characters personalities to match the movies, or just outright downplaying characters and canceling books because the parent company can't use those characters in movies.

3. The books are overpriced. Kind of goes back to my first point. I bought my first comic for about a $1.00. Granted that was over 30 years ago but they were still affordable. Now a single issue is $4. Magazines are priced similar but you get more content. If you add a couple of dollars more you could rent a game via redbox or buy a game on your cellphone and get more bang for your buck.

I know we can only choose three but I think another issue which is also effecting DC is instead of writing stories that can be told in one or two issues, writers are stretching stories out to like 5+ issues so the story can be sold months later as a graphic novel.

That may have to due with the books catching up the influence bankruptcy had on the company in the 90s when they started selling the rights of characters and franchises. Sam Raimi really put the possibility of comic book-movie crossover on the map. I remember seeing Blade when it came out but I don't remember this at the beginning:

That started with either X-Men or Spider-Man how I remember it. Now that Marvel Studios is as viable as it is, bringing that recognition back into the comics to avoid another bankruptcy just seemed like a logical business move to sell books. You gotta stretch the work out. With that they can raise prices of books consistent with talent, hype and materials. Someone in the accounting department could give a better picture.

I'm looking at it as Marvel pre-Y2K vs Marvel post-Y2K.

To survive, Marvel had to adapt to the market. Because of that they alienated some pre-Y2K fans and abandoned the mythos, they pretty much reinterpreted their whole roster to where the money is.

I can't wait to see the fckery of a Secret Invasion movie series.

 

[Grifter]

I don't mind when a character fills in for someone else, Nightwing as Batman, Iron Fist/Electra as Daredevil. It's usually done for a story point reason. But we all know the original is always coming back except for Captain Mar-Vell.

Stop trying to tell people how woke you are just be it and keep it moving.

 

[Easy-E]

Animation Department is largely Korean, which makes sense because the animation doesn't feel Japanese for the time if you understand me. Each decade had a specific style, and Avatar's animation didn't look like other animes of the time. You can't call it an anime, it was inspired but Spider-Man TAS was more anime in style than Avatar.

I never considered Avatar anime because it had more of a American style mixed with the Japanese.

But, all these examples have me finally understanding.

I was getting older once Avatar hit Nick. My little brother loved that show.

I'm finally getting that the bricks been laid since the 90's.

 

[Easy-E]

1. The Direct Market. The first comic book I ever bought was X-Men Vol. 2 #1 at 7-Eleven. I was going there to buy candy and passed by the magazine rack and saw some dude with knives coming from his fist and some guy with one eye shooting lasers. As a kid I was like and instead of buying candy I bought that issue. Back then you didn't have to go to a comic book shop to buy comics. Any place that sold magazines had comics. Much easier for someone to check out a book if they see it on newsstands.

2. The suits forcing writers to make comics fit in with the movies. Changing up costumes to make them look like the movies, changing characters personalities to match the movies, or just outright downplaying characters and canceling books because the parent company can't use those characters in movies.

3. The books are overpriced. Kind of goes back to my first point. I bought my first comic for about a $1.00. Granted that was over 30 years ago but they were still affordable. Now a single issue is $4. Magazines are priced similar but you get more content. If you add a couple of dollars more you could rent a game via redbox or buy a game on your cellphone and get more bang for your buck.

I know we can only choose three but I think another issue which is also effecting DC is instead of writing stories that can be told in one or two issues, writers are stretching stories out to like 5+ issues so the story can be sold months later as a graphic novel.

1. Me, too. I lived in Georgia for bout 4 years and had to travel ALL the way into ATL to find a shop.

Thankfully one opened closer to the crib right before I moved.

3. Overpriced and half the pages are ads.

 

[humminbird]

Bro, these companies can't even do a straight 100 issue series.

That's a pipe dream. They either get low sales and they want that Issue #1 stimulus or they reset the whole damn universe.

You're right.

Saga is like that, where you see their whole relationship develop and the main character actually has the baby and raises it and the baby grows up and shyt.

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Example; the Joker has been ruined because they want him front and center. But, they've had have do so much evil (canonically) that he's no longer the Clown Prince of Crime, he's litterally a damn devil (hell, I think they wrote THAT into the canon).

I want a story where Batman finally kills the Joker and how that effects Gotham, his family, the other folk.

I remember ready Death of the Family (the one where he cuts his face off) and thinking;

They making this muh'fukka too evil, now.

I miss funny Joker...now everybody tryna be Heath (RIP).

But, they can't write that story because they spent so little time developing other villians. I'm surprised they stuck with City of Bane as long as they did.

I want an epic Mr. Freeze storyline

don't get me started on batman
he needs something they let him get to a point so the robins can grow up and then that's it.
I really wanted him to marry catwoman. it would be a different dynamic for him to actually a have a wife and shyt

 

[Amo Husserl]

I never considered Avatar anime because it had more of a American style mixed with the Japanese.

But, all these examples have me finally understanding.

I was getting older once Avatar hit Nick. My little brother loved that show.

I'm finally getting that the bricks been laid since the 90's.

Avatar is Korean, anime to me is purely a Japanese phenomenon like how jazz is African-American, other people can emulate the style but the true essence is with the people of origin. It's culturally engrained and readily understood on an unspoken level. I wanted to be an animator/painter growing up so I pay attention to these little things and realized early I can't do what the Japanese do in terms of animation.

Influence:

Original:

It's got a lot to do with genuine expression within the medium, the 80s with its clean approach is what I gravitated toward but building on generations of technology, technical ability and a genuine love for the craft solidified in the 90s as far as cel animation goes:

You can't tell me Japan wasn't hardbody when it came to putting their culture on the map when the 90s came around. When I see anime or any form of Japanese media from that era it tells me Japan came as a unified front utilizing damn near everything they did and taking it to another level. I don't ever remember seeing blows so fast afterimages were created used in any other format outside of Japanese animation and video games.

Italians did it with photography during futurism, but they didn't apply that concept to animation. That's what made anime what it is, the next step.

FLCL took it a step further and adapted manga to an anime format:

American animation ain't touching that kind of originality and innovation when it's all about revenue, not to mention the story telling. The cultural differences alone will make sure of that. A densely packed coming-of-age six episode series that still looks fresh compared to current Marvel animation.

Marvel been washed. And no, they ain't catching up.

 

[Easy-E]

Also, I just thought of something...,isn't Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Yo, anime, too?

Damn, I really was sleeping

You putting me on game @Amo Husserl

You one of the good new posters

Of course Street Fighter was heavy in it's Eastern influence and that was a BIG part of my childhood

I got to commend the East on how they organically worked in the West

Hell, we all love Karate movies, so, that was a part, too

 

[MenacingMonk]

-Overfilling the market. Too many unnecessary titles and with it comes lack of interesting stories. A lot of characters don’t need their own books.

-Not making big events feel like big events because they do 2 every year.

-Trying to give artists jobs when their art sucks ass.

This goes for DC too.

 

[CarltonJunior]

The bolded would be true if Manga wasn't taking over the culture and dominating the charts.

I'm surprised how many young black men are into manga and anime. And it's not just nerds.

RDCWorld are like the most popular black content creators and heavy into that shyt and they an bytchless incels.

Marvel got to get back on their shyt. People buying Manga in America.

I'm sure this isn't true and they get hoes but this is hilarious

 

[Easy-E]

I'm sure this isn't true and they get hoes but this is hilarious

I had to fix that. I meant that as a compliment that they "ain't bytchless"

I was surprised it wasn't just nerds on anime I had to fix it

 

[CarltonJunior]

Avatar is Korean, anime to me is purely a Japanese phenomenon like how jazz is African-American, other people can emulate the style but the true essence is with the people of origin. It's culturally engrained and readily understood on an unspoken level. I wanted to be an animator/painter growing up so I pay attention to these little things and realized early I can't do what the Japanese do in terms of animation.

Influence:

Original:

It's got a lot to do with genuine expression within the medium, the 80s with its clean approach is what I gravitated toward but building on generations of technology, technical ability and a genuine love for the craft solidified in the 90s as far as cel animation goes:

You can't tell me Japan wasn't hardbody when it came to putting their culture on the map when the 90s came around. When I see anime or any form of Japanese media from that era it tells me Japan came as a unified front utilizing damn near everything they did and taking it to another level. I don't ever remember seeing blows so fast afterimages were created used in any other format outside of Japanese animation and video games.

Italians did it with photography during futurism, but they didn't apply that concept to animation. That's what made anime what it is, the next step.

FLCL took it a step further and adapted manga to an anime format:

American animation ain't touching that kind of originality and innovation when it's all about revenue, not to mention the story telling. The cultural differences alone will make sure of that. A densely packed coming-of-age six episode series that still looks fresh compared to current Marvel animation.

Marvel been washed. And no, they ain't catching up.

This is high quality posting.

Where the fukk are reps when you need them