what would a top 5 list in 1994 look like?

[bigbadbossup2012]

The thing is back when the top MCs were being discussed Pac’s name was never mentioned before he died. That’s a fact. You prolly would’ve heard Buckshots name first tbh. Pac had the name he did due to the controversy and acting. The music was actually secondary. All the things we use like influence and impact to rank rappers now didn’t exist like that back then. It was all about who was the nicest and that was it. And when it came down to talking MCs strictly on their bars Pac fell short

Exactly what i'm talking about. That's not a FACT ,that's your experience PERIOD.

 

[Art Barr]

why I say Puba was qualified for top acknowledgment by 94


Pubas style alone going into 91 put him as a top lyrical contender.

I dont even have to speak on 92 and him pushing Tommy Hilfigers popularity.


going into 93 Puba pretty much sealed his historic stamp by being on the title track of Marys most acknowledged classic album.




Whenever someone points the next generation in the direction of Marys most popular album they will be forced to acknowledge Puba.




By 93 Puba was able to dwell amongst the underground realm as a measure of keeping his name out there while also being aligned with the gritty. Puba doing his thing on one out of the 2 most popular Strictly Roots songs






Puba doing his style on a Fat Joe track with Diamond D on the beat. By this time u can see Puba alligning with Joe way before he would be the Fat Joe we all know. This speaks on Pubas state at the time as he was alligned with one of the grittiest coming out of NYC 1993







I never saw this video till Youtube existed but notice how this was pieced together. Puba is the grand finisher while Treach and 2pac are the opening acts. This is 1993




By 94 Puba had already laid it down with Brand Nubians and had a solo banger in 92. By 93 he was just laying in the cut.

By 94 Puba was having fun spitting over beats with "Oh Susana" on the breaks







Would That be a sign of falling off? I say no because there was still this air of anticipation as to what Puba would do following Brand Nubians 3rd album. I say the air of anticipation is what kept Puba still in top ranking. It wouldnt be till 95 when Puba dropped 'I like It' that would seal the deal. NYC was on some Wu Tang shyt. Tho I do remeber nikkaz fukking with this track and it got airplay.




I'm not gonna bother posting the next single with Kid from Kid n Play tho that song does remind me of my senior year it was the last time Puba as a solo was making noise that had some relevance to the time until Brand Nubians would reunite with Dont Let It Go To Your Head.

Wish 2000 was considered like you saying but after 93, puba was considered the commercial sellout backpack guy. He is why the negative term, connotation of backpacker is derogatory.

No bboy back then allowed backpacker or t other deragotary term hip hopper. It is a reason wearing two straps went out in 1993 and we only rocked one strap with the zipper forward to get up on the alice pack in 94. The reason I said earlier it would be better to list 93, is this is before things changed in 94. I think people forget that is the year girbaud became regular hand commercial too. Leading into later on when all the bboy brands would be compromised later in the marketing of hiphop globally as a actual thing by Leo Burnett in 96. After their award winning discovery zone in the early nineties with Mickie d's and cocacola/sprite.
2000, was not well received culturally at all for its time. His first album was not well received culturally at all like one for all either. Puba caught significant backlash for always melding Mary too. This is 1994, rnb was not allowed in hip hop like that past the selective grassroots bands making fusion like the heavies and towai tei production. Past that puba somehow went off the deep end commercially and the result is he fell off. In this exact time brand Nubian with the Jamar and sadat were given higher cultural weight as bboys and puba was looked at as on some prima donna sellout shyt. To the point when brandnubjan finally got back together the union of all of them could not save it. As puba had been fell off and lost his cultural respect in 1994. Puba was his most Influential in the early brand Nubian girbaud twelve inch cover days.
By 1994, he was outta there culturally as far as respect. Plus people looked at 2000 being the culmination of him trying to be to commercial and looked at Mary being force fed to us as selling out culturally too. Back then all that rnb shyt was taboo. Which is why I supplied the rant on why az was given the pass for miss Jones. As miss Jones was destroyed for making the music Mary made before Mary. Yet the larger pr'd mary could float above this culturally based backlash and scrutiny on the MCA uptown way. As MCA is who created misappropiating black music. Especially with uptown as a production team science.

I covered this distinctly before in rant and I covered the other aspect of this in rant on miss Jones and az and why that was the first credible cultural commercial submission looked at with all around respect.
It was not till Mary and the beginning of the oversaturation radio play method origins for my life. In a completely global marketed misappropiation of everything hiphop after Leo burnett created returns js what created this pass system effect people in this thread are trying to say existed in 1994. This elaborate pass system effect did not start till the sonic landscape change in 1995 @nd was not solidified till 1998.




Art Barr

 

[daze23]

nikkas love spitting their opinion as if it's FACT.
Cube was viewed as falling off when he had CHECK YOURSELF,IT WAS A GOOD DAY and WICKED out?
Also went plat in 2 months.
Who viewed him as falling off?
nikkas just be making shyt up

do you think Predator was better than Death Certificate?

 

[daze23]

A ranking of 1993 would be better because 94, was a year where the older staples were not in the market place.
plus, that year could be described as the year the sonic landscape distinctly changed and then the sonic landscape changed again by 1995...

this is the point I tried to make in this thread. the shyt was evolving so quick back then, and that shyt from two years ago was already ancient

 

[Art Barr]

Exactly what i'm talking about. That's not a FACT ,that's your experience PERIOD.

So when were you culturally apart of hiphop?

What pillar do you belong too?


Lemme answer that for you,...
You never were a part of hiphop culture.
Plus you do not have any skill in any pillar.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

But you're saying in general that MC Lyte was a better MC than Left Eye

And no she wasn't more respected I can't take you serious cuz you tryna switch each post. Saying Lisa was more popular but then say it's less popular because she was in a group.. It's you more popular or you're not.

Okay true.. But she wrote her raps.


Maybe I just have different standards

MCs to me have to write their verses. Is that so wrong?

Left eye was never given credit as an emcee. She was always viewed at best as the female Michael bivens meets devoe rap parts on commercial rnb records. TLC was never regarded as cultural. You completely exposing yourself if you say different and I really have to ask culturally where were you then.
Now granted back then,...
The socalled sellout pander to the culture rappers like lyte and latifah were close to being publically exposed.
In 93, lyte was not propped for ruff neck, culturally. It was looked at culturally as degrading and it never was spun in any real cultural based spots like that. Plus, it was also viewed as s step back and also an attempt to further get her a higher commercial drawing platform in pop and t rnb charts. Which is why her dancing was frowned upon completely in this time and space. As hammer and vanilla ice were in t envelope of fully being ostracized completely. As there was no fusion of mainstream hiphop clubs and playlist like now. Cultural based hip hop parties existed. Clubs with pop commercial rap did not exist. None of that existed as a nightlife. So this idea that a commercial song was the pulse of hiphop culturally is not true. like how things are so pass driven like today. It was NO PASS SYSTEM. Ruff neck was a change of radio sellout record and the record people started to be real about latifah and lyte. To the point, this ties into my puba content in this thread too. PubA and lyte were all taking cultural exposal and puba was connected directly to being what made lyte, lyte, too.
Which brought up her pedigree and her pedigree was connected to the same rnb mca way based production companies that previously were ousted in the new school way of thought conversion from the ol school way of thought. Lyte was just a hold over draw from said production company and eventually in the ruff neck era. all this shyt a head and why lyte was ostracized for selling out on ruff neck. As people asked why she also fell off and eventually in that time of puba's descent. Lyte's change of direction with puba in that time lead to their demise culturally as draws as well.
Not even a Lin que appearance could save her. As back then xclan was dispatched in 1993 by krs. So with that Lin que's connection added no weight. as she was not the original incarnation from xclan.
Plus. Her siding with lyte was viewed negatively culturally and was indicative of the exodus of xclan as well.

A lot of these culturally errant responses are made by people culturally who were/ are not bboys.

None of this shyt was given a pass back then, culturally. As a matter of fact the boycott of any fakin jax hand for the culture as far as rap was damn strong then. Almost impervious. If you fsked jax you was done and lyte was done from ruff neck, the exposal, the fsking jax and change of direction. Left eye culturally was never seen as a real culturally credible emcre. She was a commercial singer who happened to have rapped from the rnb singer prison hub of Atlanta.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Exactly what i'm talking about. That's not a FACT ,that's your experience PERIOD.

You were not a bboy in hip hop culture. So how are you talking about this man.
like you had an actual culture standing and we know you do not. Bmore of just his time here and his locale and knowledge easily knows this culture more than you easy. Plus, you have Mecca envy and that is readily discernible. As you continue to talk about things culturally that did not exist then. You are talking in revision from a Pac clone war Stan perspective. After the emo windfall of Pac and this elaborate ruse based pass system from the prison industrial economy superceded hiphop actual culture took place.

Like I said everything became ruthless records,...yet in this exact time culturally. ruthless and most gangsta rappers were not culturally endorsed, like the early origins of gangsta rap were in the late eighties. Which is why those gangsta rappers illustrated Mecca envy and why the issues created by vibe pr.
were able to make everything go completely awry in the envelope of all this later on as well.

Once again I had to supply another exposal of you. Now, go hit your quote button. Skim and make bulleted power point numbers of my response.
Then make culturally incoherent based and ignorant replies.
like you know wtf you talking bout from a hip hop culture based perspective.


Art Barr

 

[prophecypro]

I dont know if Nas, Big, Snoop and Pac would immediately get into people's all time top 5's cause they still young

Well Snoop and Nas maybe cause they had so much co-signs

Top 5's would be like Rakim, Slick Rick, BDK, KRS and even Melle Melle or Kool Moe Dee, maybe G Rap and Ice Cube, Ice T out west.

younger heads would put Cube, Treach and Redman I bet

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Not at all,...
Also I know you not hood because back then in 94.
nikkaz emulated bone, bizzy specifically.
nikkaz emulated dalvin and devante.


You talking sales numbers like you white and also far from some hiphop shyt. In real nature in 94...snoop and Pac were not bigger than bizzy or bone.

I am speaking on this from a real time perspective from really being there. You speaking on some numbers and bullshyt. When I already know the style that nikkaz was on was from bone. That is how I know bone was bigger. Bone was bigger than Pac when they collabed and bone was bigger than big when they collabed and that js why Pac and big had to collab with bone. Bone did not have to collab with Pac or big simple as that. Also, bone was better than cube because we know they wrote their shyt and it was the style that influenced everything right now, period. All that thug shyt is bone originally. Pac clone war fans like you like to front but you was not around in the hood for bone. I know so because when I cited the change of radio and the like there is no reply from you in that. Everything is your bullshyt pass system created from MTV and IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ACTUAL HIPHOP CULTURE.

Plus this whole deflection based shyt you on is because I am dispelling your bullshyt at every deflection. Just to illustrate you do not know wtf you talembout on a hood level and definately not on an actual hip hop culture level.

Which is why through all your skimming you keep glossing and never answered where you were from. Plus you kept asking me about nas...when any questions about nas I answered in depthly before you asked. Yet you in here re-asking me about nas and I already indepthly posted in this thread consistently about nas as well.

Now take you fukk'n L and stfu.


Also we wanna know your age and where you from as well?

Now hit you bullet numbers for that and skim over it, again...you fake ass toy.


Art Barr

1.Lol,you "know" nothing. You assume i'm not hood, as a hater based deflection,due to me sonning all your arguments. It's corny


2.You spoke on whom was bigger out of an assortment of mainstream acts. I provided factual data that you can't refute. So you resort to crying and complaining

3.Nonsense.
Less than 7 verses on CREEPIN ON A COME UP does not trump
Snoop's appearance on deep cover,the chronic,doggystyle,murder was the case and above the rim

It also does not trump
pac appearance on Same song,gotta get mine,2pacalypse now,S4MN,Thuglife,Starring in Juice. Starring in Poetic justice,above the rim and dropping classics on both soundtracks

4.I was there silly nikka.
5.objection,we're talking through 1994 only
6.see # 5
7.Neither had to. All entities were good regardless
8.No one's talking about bone vs cube. You're so emotional,you're arguing with yourself and forgot to stop typing,i guess

9."i live the thuglife baaaaby i'm hopeless,choking on Indo,tryna keep my focus" Stop

10.Deflection is calling a black man,white because you're being sonned.

11.Ok give me a link to what exactly Nasir changed about hiphop

12.No L's for Bigbad

13.Who is "we"? If you're looking to get know men better. Go find a faq website and have a ball. No thanks

I like sonning clowns, then they come back with a ton of assumptions about me, that are laughable.
Step your game up.
Also, giving some e-head to bmore won't save you. Wipe your mouth and accept the bag of l's you caught.

 

[Jinx`]

Left eye was never given credit as an emcee. She was always viewed at best as the female Michael bivens meets devoe rap parts on commercial rnb records. TLC was never regarded as cultural. You completely exposing yourself if you say different and I really have to ask culturally where were you then.
Now granted back then,...
The socalled sellout pander to the culture rappers like lyte and latifah were close to being publically exposed.
In 93, lyte was not propped for ruff neck, culturally. It was looked at culturally as degrading and it never was spun in any real cultural based spots like that. Plus, it was also viewed as s step back and also an attempt to further get her a higher commercial drawing platform in pop and t rnb charts. Which is why her dancing was frowned upon completely in this time and space. As hammer and vanilla ice were in t envelope of fully being ostracized completely. As there was no fusion of mainstream hiphop clubs and playlist like now. Cultural based hip hop parties existed. Clubs with pop commercial rap did not exist. None of that existed as a nightlife. So this idea that a commercial song was the pulse of hiphop culturally is not true. like how things are so pass driven like today. It was NO PASS SYSTEM. Ruff neck was a change of radio sellout record and the record people started to be real about latifah and lyte. To the point, this ties into my puba content in this thread too. PubA and lyte were all taking cultural exposal and puba was connected directly to being what made lyte, lyte, too.
Which brought up her pedigree and her pedigree was connected to the same rnb mca way based production companies that previously were ousted in the new school way of thought conversion from the ol school way of thought. Lyte was just a hold over draw from said production company and eventually in the ruff neck era. all this shyt a head and why lyte was ostracized for selling out on ruff neck. As people asked why she also fell off and eventually in that time of puba's descent. Lyte's change of direction with puba in that time lead to their demise culturally as draws as well.
Not even a Lin que appearance could save her. As back then xclan was dispatched in 1993 by krs. So with that Lin que's connection added no weight. as she was not the original incarnation from xclan.
Plus. Her siding with lyte was viewed negatively culturally and was indicative of the exodus of xclan as well.

A lot of these culturally errant responses are made by people culturally who were/ are not bboys.

None of this shyt was given a pass back then, culturally. As a matter of fact the boycott of any fakin jax hand for the culture as far as rap was damn strong then. Almost impervious. If you fsked jax you was done and lyte was done from ruff neck, the exposal, the fsking jax and change of direction. Left eye culturally was never seen as a real culturally credible emcre. She was a commercial singer who happened to have rapped from the rnb singer prison hub of Atlanta.


Art Barr

I'm not reading all that, sir.. If you don't like Left Eye, you can feel that way. She said herself

"Either love me or you hate me, that's how the game goes."

But fukk your essays.

 

[Art Barr]

I'm not reading all that, sir.. If you don't like Left Eye, you can feel that way. She said herself

"Either love me or you hate me, that's how the game goes."

But fukk your essays.

Deflection, and we know you read it and have no wiggle room to argue.

Now how old are you and what city you from and what pillar are you skilled in as early as 1994?



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I like sonning clowns, then they come back with a ton of assumptions about me, that are laughable.
Step your game up.
Also, giving some e-head to bmore won't save you. Wipe your mouth and accept the bag of l's you caught.

This is deflection cause you do not know wtf you talembout and facts have debunked everything you speak on.
Notice no response after I deaded all your convos on your rapper.

Now sir,...once again?
How old are you. What city and what pillar were you skilled in 1994?

As no culture based bboy is talking the sales based semantics and culture thief ideals you are talking in 1994 and you are a bboy. As a matter of fact you just a standard gangsta rap fan with no cultural register.


Now again,..

What pillar were you in 1994?
How old are you and what city are you from?


We been waiting on this answer all thread. Just like we been waiting for you to read my content on nas. You said you read or know but keep asking me the same questions about nas i already answered opening this thread.
So please just admit you not apart of the culture and you need to not even be adding to this thread because once again like any thread you are in. YoU NEVER KNOW WTF YOU TALEMBOUT?


Art Barr

 

[Jinx`]

Deflection, and we know you read it and have no wiggle room to argue.

Now how old are you and what city you from and what pillar are you skilled in as early as 1994?



Art Barr

Alright I read a couple lines but I have a life and not gonna be typing essays and shyt back n forth with your geek ass

You so desperate for my attention then give me a couple hours as I'm working.. I will tell you one time and one time only.

Mfs talkin bout reppin the "culture" typing pages and shyt on Coli OK breh

 

[Art Barr]

00000000000000000000000000000022

Alright I read a couple lines but I have a life and not gonna be typing essays and shyt back n forth with your geek ass

You so desperate for my attention then give me a couple hours as I'm working.. I will tell you one time and one time only.

Mfs talkin bout reppin the "culture" typing pages and shyt on Coli OK breh

Excuse making cause you not apart of the culture of hiphop and you know this.

Now get mad make excuses about work a d posting cause you not the man where you work at all. As I pretty much created the profitability for you to log on at work on the internet and get the very products that allow you a field to type in to the dedicated connection. Plus I am a legend online from just posting while being number one in sales at work and doing all this visionary sales shyt forthe internet to allow you to post.

So keep making fukk'n excuses.

Also while I was doing this,...i am the real time protege to a legend to the greatest battle emcee in the history of hiphop, too.

So once again, you a bullshyt artist and excuse maker. Yousa toy, breh.

No real bboy is ever propping no left eye as a real emcee, nikka...stop.




Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Art said bone was bigger than snoop in 1994

1.You said alot of nothing. There's no deflecting. We're talking who was bigger.
You said Bone was bigger than snoop in 1994 ,although snoop sold 4 million + records from very late 93' to mid 94'
(half a year)

And bone's 1994 project took 18 months to do the same numbers. (they only sold 2 mil in 1994,half of snoop)

On top of this,snoop was the face for and led the soundtrack to his mini movie MURDER WAS THE CASE,which moved another 2 million (within 6 months),released in 1994.


Art said snoop had to come out right after the chronic while bone took their time after creepin on ah come up
2.Doggstyle came out 11 months after The Chronic. E1999 Eternal cam out 13 months after Creepin on ah come up. (not a huge difference)

3.Wrong,as i stated earlier,in the first half of 1994 (alone) Snoop moved 4 million. In the last half of 1994 alone,bone moved 2 mil. Basic Math my son. On top of this,he was the lead artist and face of MURDER WAS THE CASE in late 1994 which sold 2mil in six months. Even without that,he outdid bone in1994.

4.You can't be the larger draw if you were outsold 2-1,which was the case. try again.


Art said Thuggish ruggish was bone's only real single
5.Nonsense,being intellectualy disingenuous will work on young dumb nikkas. You're fooling nobody. Despite Thuggish ruggish being the bigger song. Foe the love of money is a bonafide classic song as well,fully equipped with a video.
And it performed very well

"Thuggish Ruggish Bone"
(featuring Shatasha Williams) 1994 top100 20 11 2 — — — — 2 — —

• RIAA: Gold[12]

Creepin on ah Come Up
"Foe tha Love of $"
(featuringEazy-E) 1995 top100 38 19 4 — — — — — — —

6.Your bullshyt was dispelled on #5


7. See #3 and #4

Art tried to interject 1995-1997 events
8.This thread isnt about years later or even 1995. It's about who was looking like top 5 as 1994 ended and what they had did up to that point.
Pac had the #1 album in the country 4 weeks in a row while he was imprisoned in 1995. I never attempted to use that to plead a 1994 case for pac because it doesnt matter.

Biggie did very well in 1995. Classic features,classic singles.
His Junior Mafia clique dropped classic singles,but i didnt try to use that to plead a case for him in 1994,cause it has nothing to do with it.

But i'll play devil's advocate,just to make a point. Let';s say E1999 eternal just came out the blue selling tons of records,with no smash single,just riding off Creepin on ah come up's buzz.
If that happened,your point would be a good one.
But that's NOT what happened.
What did happen is Bone released a smash single in First of the Month,which was bigger than either of the singles from COACU. The album did 2 million (in 1995). Then when they finally released the new version of CROSSROADS in 1996,they moved and additional 2/3 million.

IN CLOSING,we can't downplay what snoop was bringing,when he had a full blown female clone of him within 6-7 months of his debut.
The brat became the first female solo rapper to go plat,by blatantly emulating snoop.
Snoop was that nikka

@Art Barr Keep fronting like i didnt shut him down to the ground. Have a seat son.

Art had no comeback and in a futile attempt tried to attack my character

Art lost