What year did R&B fall off ?

[DJ Mart-Kos]

I wouldn't even be surprised there will come a day that people just can't make good music anymore.
And they start to put music from the 70's and 80's back on the charts.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I agree with this. I always said this.

I disagree

Hip Hop killled RnB and RnB allowed itself to be swallowed whole and die as the most popular medium of expression for Black musicians.

HipHop did not kill r&B...infact, it gave it new life

The last great RnB album was Signs of the Times by Prince. It was made in 1988.

That's probably the last time RnB album before RnB got considered "bedroom music". So RnB became a bunch of sappy love songs.

R&B/Soul was always based in that feeling

I also think there is a clear delineation between RnB and Soul.

OG R&B is actually jump blues/shuffle-backbeat based rhytm and blues/early rock and roll. R&B in the broader sense covers that anything with gospel based vocal feeling (doo wop, soul, funk, disco etc..)

Soul music died in the 70s along with funk and disco...

classic soul died when disco was born

then it became RnB.

it became quiet storm, boogie/electro-soul & funk and then hiphop based

RnB is soul music without the hard gospel, rocknroll and blues influences. Like Fats and James Brown still had the elements of Gospel and RocknRoll.

no. R&B is just a broad label for many styles of gospel based vocalized genres such as doo wop, soul, funk disco, neo soul, hiphop soul, new jack swing, nu soul etc...

Usher doesn't have any of that shyt.

usher does have gospel based vocals. This is all gospel phrasing

Although...RnB is just industry term for Black music that ain't Hip Hop, Rock, Blues, Gospel or Jazz lmao...

exactly

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Sorry for my comment, that shyt wasn't making any sense. I'm a little confused.
In the 70's R&B was just Soul & Funk i think. Not even Blues.

70's R&B is disco, funk and soul music

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

70's R&B is disco, funk and soul music

Yeah, Disco was R&B to but i feel like when white guys like Bee Gees started making it people suddenly thought Disco wasn't R&B anymore cause they where white.

 

[AlainLocke]

I disagree



HipHop did not kill r&B...infact, it gave it new life

R&B/Soul was always based in that feeling






OG R&B is actually jump blues/shuffle-backbeat based rhytm and blues/early rock and roll. R&B in the broader sense covers that anything with gospel based vocal feeling (doo wop, soul, funk, disco etc..)





classic soul died when disco was born




it became quiet storm, boogie/electro-soul & funk and then hiphop based




no. R&B is just a broad label for many styles of gospel based vocalized genres such as doo wop, soul, funk disco, neo soul, hiphop soul, new jack swing, nu soul etc...





usher does have gospel based vocals. This is all gospel phrasing










exactly

I wasn't talking abut Usher's vocals, I mean more or so, the instrumentals he sings over...

And I am just not a fan of Hip Hop inspired RnB...it doesn't sound good, it lets non-singers like Drake come in and be the biggest RnB artist...

Like 2000s popular RnB sounds like shyt too me...but I think all 2000 popular music sounds band...

90s popular RnB is too crunchy...

In the 2010s popular RnB is Trap and EDM inspired...

I am not against fusion...like a good fusion was psychedelic rock and Soul music...

Jazz Funk is a good fusion...

Hip Hop and RnB...I don't think it's a good mix for RnB...it's a good mix for Hip Hop but not RnB....

 

[Mʀ2ᴋDᴇᴇᴢ]

After 06/07 R&B started to decline.

Matter fact, I remember the last joints I fukked with when R&B still was on its last legs (obviously been others since) were BUDDY & Teachme from Musiq.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You make good points here.

I would stipulate though that Hip Hop didn't kill soul/r&b -- the rap industry that developed after rapper-focused music became popular, moved r&b from its position of prominence.

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this...the same thing happened to previoss black genres in america

jazz took over from ragtime

R&B too over from jazz

hiphop replaced r&B

 

[King Sun]

That might be the whole truth about R&B.
But i think Hip-Hop culture fully died when Trap came on the scene personally.

I really don't believe it's coming back. I feel like music is getting worser and worser with each day that goes by.

Yeah go call me an a$$hole but that's just my truth.

R&B been back since 2013 its just not mainstream. The internets album is modern r&b

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

Breh...I've sampled shyt straight off of YouTube....

But yeah man...sample new shyt sounding old shyt...

There's producers like Frank Dukes that get a majority of his credits by creating sampling material for other producers to sample....

I wouldn't recommand sampling of youtube.
Get Soulseek man. You can find almost all those old songs on there and they are in better quality usually.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I wasn't talking abut Usher's vocals, I mean more or so, the instrumentals he sings over...

usher sings mainly over hiphop soul type beats




but he has beats that sound OG soul'ish,



EDM,



disco-funk

And I am just not a fan of Hip Hop inspired RnB...it doesn't sound good, it lets non-singers like Drake come in and be the biggest RnB artist...

Like 2000s popular RnB sounds like shyt too me...but I think all 2000 popular music sounds band...



90s popular RnB is too crunchy...

In the 2010s popular RnB is Trap and EDM inspired...

too many classics for me to agree with this

I am not against fusion...like a good fusion was psychedelic rock and Soul music...

Jazz Funk is a good fusion...

Hip Hop and RnB...I don't think it's a good mix for RnB...it's a good mix for Hip Hop but not RnB....

see above

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

That Usher - Throwback beat is from J Dilla but better.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

Even white guys like The Backstreet Boys in the 90's made R&B in my opinion. It was just being called Pop cause they where white.

 

[SmarkMero]

2007-2008

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

R&B been back since 2013 its just not mainstream. The internets album is modern r&b

yeah, i know but there's so many artists on the internet these days that it's just really hard to find those few really talented individuals.

 

[King Sun]

yeah, i know but there's so many artists on the internet these days that it's just really hard to find those few really talented individuals.

You should lurk the lounge too. Its actuslly the only forum on here about music only.