Whats going on with kevin love lately ......

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Is ty lue really that good of a coach

Yea he is actually....but the pressure is off of kev now .....homie just hoopin now

 

[Verbal Kint]

Offensively Bron is basically the PG and Kyrie is a wing. Its the perfect fit for him because he's able to play to his strengths

 

[David_TheMan]

Wall would not be a good fit with LeBron, the type of PGs that play well with LeBron are scorers that can hit the three, basically Curry, Lillard or Kyrie, guys that can play off the ball at times and function as SGs.

I think LeBron would benefit from a Wall or CP3, it would take the onus off him mentally of having to carry the offensive load and run things and allow him stretches to just act while someone else takes the reigns.

 

[David_TheMan]

You said they would be okay without Bron being A1. Bron was far from A1 and they lost and it wasn't like they got blown out either, they lost close games...the type that a superstar that can carry you carries you to victory in. We aren't gonna move the goalpost to just making playoffs and this nebulous "competitive" idea. Plenty of non-superstars that are not capable of lifting a team do that everyday B. Beyond that, I'm pretty confident Kyrie, Love and whoever they sign with the max spot Bron leaves could make the playoffs.

I never said the Heat could win a title without LeBron, so your are presenting a false argument to try to push this moving the goal post narrative.
Like I said, Wade could steady the ship without LeBron and get them there, to the playoffs, or probably get them 1 round if he had to, Kyrie doesn't possess the talent to do that if he had to, which is my point. He isn't a superstar level, and no, there aren't many superstars that can't lift their teams to the playoffs, Kyrie proved he can't do that when he had the opportunity. Wade proved he could do that in 2005 and in 2006 when Shaq came.

 

[Malta]

I think LeBron would benefit from a Wall or CP3, it would take the onus off him mentally of having to carry the offensive load and run things and allow him stretches to just act while someone else takes the reigns.

Nah, the Cavs are a better offensive team than those Heat squads were with Bron being next to another elite creator, keeping LeBron on the ball is the best thing for them. He's listed as an SF, but it's pretty clear LeBron is a PG now, having another dude with him that isn't accustomed to playing off the ball would be terrible. Kyrie works because he can shoot off the catch & shoot at an extremely high level, to the point he's on par with JJ Reddikk right now. Neither CP3 or Wall would be able to play off the ball half as well as him, and neither can attack & black out as a scorer like he can too.

 

[jaguar paw]

I think LeBron would benefit from a Wall or CP3, it would take the onus off him mentally of having to carry the offensive load and run things and allow him stretches to just act while someone else takes the reigns.

@Malta @Gil Scott-Heroin

So Kyrie can't carry an offensive load now?

 

[FTBS]

I never said the Heat could win a title without LeBron, so your are presenting a false argument to try to push this moving the goal post narrative.
Like I said, Wade could steady the ship without LeBron and get them there, to the playoffs, or probably get them 1 round if he had to, Kyrie doesn't possess the talent to do that if he had to, which is my point. He isn't a superstar level, and no, there aren't many superstars that can't lift their teams to the playoffs, Kyrie proved he can't do that when he had the opportunity. Wade proved he could do that in 2005 and in 2006 when Shaq came.

What part of Bron was there in a limited capacity and he didn't steady the ship enough to beat a major underdog in games that were close for the most part do you not understand? You do realize that Wade couldn't get a round when he had to for the 4 years between the first chip and Bron's arrival right?

Check the players on those Heat squads and compare them to the players 19-22 year old Kyrie was rolling with. You don't think Kyrie, Love and max space makes the playoffs?

You still yet to explain the relevance of how a player might do without Bron when Bron is there and not going anywhere.

 

[Rekkapryde]

But But But Wiggins....

nikkaz forgot that Bron needs spacing to operate and Love does that for Bron. Wiggins doesn't. Wasn't really a thing of Bron not liking Wiggins more than Love complementing Bron's game more. It ain't complicated.

 

[David_TheMan]

What part of Bron was there in a limited capacity and he didn't steady the ship enough to beat a major underdog in games that were close for the most part do you not understand?

Check the players on those Heat squads and compare them to the players 19-22 year old Kyrie was rolling with.

You still yet to explain the relevance of how a player might do without Bron when Bron is there and not going anywhere.

I'm not comparing Kyrie to the Heatles, I'm comparing Kyrie and what he did as the man, to the other teams in the league and NFC

@Malta @Gil Scott-Heroin

So Kyrie can't carry an offensive load now?

Didn't say he couldn't.

 

[Higher Tech]

Ty Lue actually has put him in the offense and unlike last season he had a training camp to work him in. David Blatt did more than anybody to fukk up Love's reputation. Add to it that he has no more pressure and there's no more of people talking gibberish about when he'll be traded and this is what you get. People act like Love forgot to play or some shyt.

Definitely much more involved with the offense this year.

 

[David_TheMan]

Nah, the Cavs are a better offensive team than those Heat squads were with Bron being next to another elite creator, keeping LeBron on the ball is the best thing for them. He's listed as an SF, but it's pretty clear LeBron is a PG now, having another dude with him that isn't accustomed to playing off the ball would be terrible. Kyrie works because he can shoot off the catch & shoot at an extremely high level, to the point he's on par with JJ Reddikk right now. Neither CP3 or Wall would be able to play off the ball half as well as him, and neither can attack & black out as a scorer like he can too.

I have always looked at Bron as a power forward or true PG, my issue with him is he is getting older and I don't neccessarily think going foward this is the best position to keep him at.
I don't mind Kyrie's offense, again its fine, I"m talking about when its Kyrie on the court and LBJ isn't there, I don't like how he doesn't get others involved like a CP3 or a Bron.

 

[FTBS]

I'm not comparing Kyrie to the Heatles, I'm comparing Kyrie and what he did as the man, to the other teams in the league and NFC

So you just not gonna answer my questions? We just gonna move right on from Wade? You comparing what he did at 19 with a shytty squad...not alot of players have been able to lift their teams in those circumstances.

 

[jaguar paw]

Didn't say he couldn't.

You'd rather Kyrie find Jefferson and Dunleavly more open looks and play pick and roll with Birdman instead of putting pressure on the defense.

 

[David_TheMan]

So you just not gonna answer my questions? We just gonna move right on from Wade? You comparing what he did at 19 with a shytty squad...not alot of players have been able to lift their teams in those circumstances.

Sorry I said NFC I meant east. Mind is tired right now.
Not dodging your question, what do you think I'm dodging?
I'm not moving on from Wade, wade was never the major point, my only thing with bringing up Wade was saying I thought by NOW that is what Kyrie would be.
I'm comparing Kyrie's inability to improve the squad when he was the head, that is all. I think the great players lift their player.

 

[David_TheMan]

You'd rather Kyrie find Jefferson and Dunleavly more open looks and play pick and roll with Birdman instead of putting pressure on the defense.

I would rather have Kyrie find a better balance in finding others shots on top of attacking when he has a weakness.