RZA is both and always been both. he use to even edit WU's vocals back in the early days, and pick which one should spit on the track based off which voice matches best. he was always more than just creating the beat..
What's the Difference Between a Beat Maker and a Producer??
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RZA is both and always been both. he use to even edit WU's vocals back in the early days, and pick which one should spit on the track based off which voice matches best. he was always more than just creating the beat..
This.
I never thought of it that way, but they basically are responsible for the way that we hear the music. A well mixed and mastered song makes a lot of difference. Rarely is that element acknowledged.
Art Barr
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Dre when he sampled was superior to hordes of acts.
Plus any of the dudes, dre gave shine to let sequence and program for him.
people forget dre did what other dudes did not and still do not do.
He actually learned how to be the best rap engineer in the history of rap, and music.
As an actual fukking science, too.
Plus used other people's sequences and arrangements.
So he could learn how to engineer a final product.
That always had the same seamless quality and clarity sonically.
His engineering rivals and is arguably better than tool up the hall in larabie studios.
Plus he had/has the ear to hear the frequencies.
That made originally the first clearly mixed largely bought mainstream solD gangsta rap album in history.
So all those naysayers,..even the dudes in abl, to daz and the others.
They were never on dre's level as a sequencer/arranger/programmer.
Plus, dre is/was so sick,..he actually became the best engineer in the game.
As well as the best producer.
nikkas need to kill that noise and bullshyt about dre.
Dre so cold,...his color filled headphones and speakers have replaced alesis monitors.
Dre is a god,...lil nikkas!!
You little dudes have no idea the talent of that man,..if you naysaying, dre.
Art Barr
What would y'all call J Dilla?
Dr. Dre ALWAYS does some level of beat making though. You can hear it. He always does the drums. Peep some interviews, the 2001 sessions where like a band. Storch/Melman on keys, Elizondo on bass, Dr. Dre on drums with the creative direction.
Maybe Puff but Dre and Kanye give themselves add. Production or co-producing credits if they add stuff to an already existing beat. From the making of LAD and RTD articles Puff was heavily involved in the creative process. Telling them what songs to sample, adding more cinematic on that Etc.
Read the credits my dude. Mike Dean is rarely listed as a main producer. He seems to mostly just play instruments, I'm assuming with strong direction. Devil in a New Dress for example was produced by Bink. He made the beat. Kanye and Mike Dean and Ye have either add. Or co-production credit. That's because 'they' did that last part if the song with the break down where they basically re did the beat with live instrumentation. Mike Dean did all the playing so he gets credit and Kanye most likely told him to do it so he gets credit.
The proof is in the pudding. Apart from the likes of Prince the best music is made by 2 or more people. Most producers have 2 instruments - sampler and MPC. But at some point the really ambitious producers will look at Thriller, What's Going On and realise they can't make something on that level on your own. So they bring in instrumentists and other producers.
From a musical standpoint, one man can't make Forgot About Dre or All of the Lights.
I do agree for WTT and Cruel Summer 'Ye simply isn't making the beats. He's keeping it real though and not giving himself full producer credits. They don't sound like Kanye albums either where as he's used co-producers for his own albums before and they sound like his projects.
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no that's called being an engineer that's their job
mc_brew
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Great thread.
When a song is sampled, but the original artist isn't put in the prodution credit, is that the producer trying to be slick to get out of paying royalties?
That old Timbaland thread, made me realize half of his discography was samples, but you never saw the original artists credited.
When a song is sampled, but the original artist isn't put in the prodution credit, is that the producer trying to be slick to get out of paying royalties?
That old Timbaland thread, made me realize half of his discography was samples, but you never saw the original artists credited.
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both if anything
