Whats the gap between Westbrook and Wall?

[KillerB88]

The problem with this is, Gortat is a better offensive player than both Gibson and Adams, and Morris stretches the floor more than Adams/Gibson/Kanter do. Not to mention Kanter can be a defensive liability, which is why he only gets limited minutes. Even if it could be argued that Adams/Gibson/Kanter are collectively better, it still doesn't changed the fact that Wall would be operating in a confined space with a lack of perimeter shooters/scorers. Wall's entire game works around being able to find shooters and spacing, his own scoring game works off that. At his core he's a pass first, score second PG. If he doesn't have reliable options to pass to, he'd be forced to change his game/approach and force his shot more while dealing with more defensive attention.

Oladipo is an inconsistent player who needs the ball in his hands to develop rhythm/be effective, who should've ideally been coming off the bench and/or have his minutes adjusted to when Westbrook was off the court. But it never eventuated, because of the lack of wings the Thunder had throughout the season to fill the void. Oladipo isn't an Otto-type player who can provide reliable spot-up shooting, and he isn't a Beal-type player who can provide reliable spot-up shooting and the ability to create his own shot on the regular. He wouldn't have had Oladipo play noticeably better than he did this season, because Wall himself needs the ball in his hands to be effective. You'd basically have Wall/Roberson/Oladipo together trying to provide perimeter shooting/scoring, with two players who aren't particularly effective without the ball and one player who isn't effective with or without the ball, and that's never gonna cut it in today's league.

Like I said above, the fundamental problem is that the Thunder's roster just has too many players that were only effective (some limited at that) on one side of the floor and no players outside of Westbrook who were reliable/talented enough on the offensive end.

GSH. We've had our disagreements, but stop wasting in-depth analysis on dudes who only watch highlights. They don't even have cable, much less League Pass to watch enough bball to have a real opinion.

 

[KillerB88]

Wall has a higher upside. Westbrook is more explosive, but far dumber. Wall is faster and smarter.

How is his upside higher? I'm convinced you nikkas just like throwing out talking-head catch phrases.

 

[SpursFanSinceNovember2017]

John Wall is a more controlled version of Westbrook. He doesn't make stupid passes that lead to turnovers or shoot long contested 3s at clutch moments, and plays much better on-ball defense than Westbrook. Wall > Westbrook imo.

 

[mastermind]

Wall has a higher upside. Westbrook is more explosive, but far dumber. Wall is faster and smarter.

You confuse aggressive with explosive.

Wall is more explosive than Westbrook

Wall is a better player than Westbrook too

 

[itsyoung!!]

Yeah. Westbrook best trait is also his worst. He plays like his girl is sitting front row. Sometimes you need to slow things down and run an offense.

what was thunders +/- when russ was off the court again ?

 

[Versa]

I would take John Wall 10 out of 10 times.

KD + Wall woulda been unfair

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

You confuse aggressive with explosive.

Wall is more explosive than Westbrook

Wall is a better player than Westbrook too

I agree/disagree. Its hard to overlook what Westbrook was doing all regular season as well.

Westbrook is quicker in the half court. That makes life easier for him to get to the rim and get to the ft line more than Wall.

Wall is the better pg. Westbrook is the better player.

I think Westbrook is better only because he has greater endurance. Wall tires down when having to do everything. However, if Wall stays as aggressive as he's been this playoffs he'll be one of the favorites for MVP next season.

 

[Mr. Brown]

I'm gonna say that Wall is definitely in the discussion for best point guard in the league, in terms of what a pg has traditionally been. Curry and Harden both play point, and they're better than Wall, but Wall is better as a traditional pg that can run the offense

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Last couple weeks tho

I would take John Wall 10 out of 10 times.

KD + Wall woulda been unfair

Imagine if KD went to the Wizards....yeesh

 

[DonKnock]

Difference is stat padded uncontested rebounds

 

[Rekkapryde]

I'd rather have Wall.

Yup.

His bball iq is what separates him from

 

[mastermind]

I agree/disagree. Its hard to overlook what Westbrook was doing all regular season as well.

Westbrook is quicker in the half court. That makes life easier for him to get to the rim and get to the ft line more than Wall.

Wall is the better pg. Westbrook is the better player.

I think Westbrook is better only because he has greater endurance. Wall tires down when having to do everything. However, if Wall stays as aggressive as he's been this playoffs he'll be one of the favorites for MVP next season.

But Westbrook tired down in the playoffs due to him doing everything? his 4th quarter numbers were terrible in the Houston series just like Wall's.

And I disagree about Westbrook being quicker in half court. Wall is more explosive than Westbrook, period. Wall doesnt get foul calls because he not on the public consciousness like Westbrook has been for 5 years and he looks bigger than Westbrook so refs think he can take more contact.

 

[Liquid]

I would rather have Wall.

Westbrook is an incredible athlete, but he is too much of a mental midget on the court for me to ever be comfortable with him leading the squad. I hope he gets it one day, but he is a veteran at this point and still doesn't get it.

 

[Reggie]

Wall is better at making his teammates than Westbrook. He would have Adams and Kanter out there averaging career high's and Oladipo would probably be getting close to 20 a night.

 

[Versa]

I agree/disagree. Its hard to overlook what Westbrook was doing all regular season as well.

Westbrook is quicker in the half court. That makes life easier for him to get to the rim and get to the ft line more than Wall.

Wall is the better pg. Westbrook is the better player.

I think Westbrook is better only because he has greater endurance. Wall tires down when having to do everything. However, if Wall stays as aggressive as he's been this playoffs he'll be one of the favorites for MVP next season.

How big of a factor is endurance when determining who the better player is when Westbrook has had more than his fair share of 4th quarter meltdowns where he ruins his team's chances of winning with horrible shot selection and overall bad decision making? It's not like Wall hasn't had big 4th quarters before.

I agree that Wall will be a major MVP candidate next year.