Whats up with Troy Ave saying "real rap" is basically gangsta rap?

[The Real]

The insinuation in here is that if someone likes "gangsta music' they are childish and foolish or that they have yet to mature. Maybe they just like good music period and like to be entertained.

No, I meant what's immature is the idea that it represents "real" or "authentic" hip-hop, from which something like Kanye is a deviation. Any definition of musical realness that is so limited is immature and foolish, imo. I don't think gangsta rap is inherently bad, though as you guessed, I do think most of it is bad in actuality, upon reflection.

But I also feel that way about most of those newer rappers you named, though for different reasons.

 

[ML29]

nikka looks like Hannibal Burress so I can't buy him as some 50 Cent 2.0 gangsta rapper. but I'll give his music a chance cuz I heard some tracks on the Combat Jack show.

 

[Urbanmiracle]

You can be hot without trying to come at people's head. Why all this gimmick. This crap segregates us as a culture. It's shouldn't be a Kendrick vs a Troy Ave or a kanye vs 50. The same people can listen to both and still find it hot music. I got everything from Kanye to tony yayo to Gucci mane to mos def to madlib to mobb deep to j dilla to future to slum village to rick ross to nas to blu and exile. It's all dope music. I think the problem is the content isn't presented in a entertaining way.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Problem is, most of these "old heads" wasnt about that life themselves. I said it in another thread. The internet killed off about 80% of the mystique of the rap game, cuz now we see it for what it is. Mobb Deep, Pac, Biggie, Jay, Nas,Dipset most of these cats arent who they say there were on raps.

Groups like Dipset n Mobb Deep are not that much different from a Troy Ave. With the over the top ness in the raps and personas. Just let these young boys cook and stop trying to uphold them to standards that were unrealistic from the start.

I do agree with you however on how most of this new generation are trying to mimick the past, rather than trail blaze their own way.

FACTSSSSS!!!

Give me instagram/twitter/facebook/TMZ in 1995 and ALL these dudes would be exposed.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Troy found a hole in the market and is trying to fill it. I like his music and every rapper needs a gimmick if they wanna stand out in the mainstream.

 

[SunZoo]

You can be hot without trying to come at people's head. Why all this gimmick. This crap segregates us as a culture. It's shouldn't be a Kendrick vs a Troy Ave or a kanye vs 50. The same people can listen to both and still find it hot music. I got everything from Kanye to tony yayo to Gucci mane to mos def to madlib to mobb deep to j dilla to future to slum village to rick ross to nas to blu and exile. It's all dope music. I think the problem is the content isn't presented in a entertaining way.

Has less to do with how it's presented and more to do with the fact that there is really nothing to cherish....we expecting the MC's to give energy that we don't give back. Rap music is fast food, it's not special anymore if all you do is sit back and ask to be entertained, we're as jaded and inauthentic as the rap being pumped out overall.

All these "hip hop" is dead nikkas are the lazy nikkas that thinking having an Ipod with some music on it somehow makes you Hip Hop.

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

(i hate being long winded on here but shyt scressful my nikka)

true indeed. but for every will smith you had 5 tupacs.this is why hiphop as a whole been kind of corny lately. these j cole kendrick wale types be dope rappers but they lack that star quality or "it" factor that make a nikka like ghostface or cam or pac or jada interesting to talk to.take that recent jada interview for example.cole kendrick and drake are no where near as entertaining as listening to kiss speak for a few minutes.those dudes are dope rappers but they're corny.this is why the over all vibe of hiphop is getting boring and dry.and no, i dont mean gangster rappers beefing or killing each other.more so that hood nikkas like people i grew up with have no representation in a culture that was created so they could have a voice.

regular every day guy rappers being the majority in hiphop is why you can have nikkas wearing skirts and dresses and all type of fruity shyt thats not hiphop getting pumped to the masses and nobody saying shyt about it.
same reason why you got nikkas scared to say kendrick got robbed because they will be out there on their own voicing a politically incorrect opinion.our culture is being censored my nikka.hiphop is supposed to be politically incorrect.how we go from fukk the police to batty boy anthems?

if a nikka made fukk the police today the powers that be would blackball that ass.

hiphop been

we got 30 Uncle Murdas, 12 Papooses, 19 Stack Bundles', and 73 Drakes tho

 

[Max Goonberg]

nikka looks like Hannibal Burress so I can't buy him as some 50 Cent 2.0 gangsta rapper. but I'll give his music a chance cuz I heard some tracks on the Combat Jack show.

 

[Wild self]

That's ultimately a good thing, bruh. I used to love all that, too, but as I matured, I realized most of it was foolishness and destructive. Sure, it also opened the gates to a lot of garbage music, but it's not like all that gangster shyt was great- we just thought it was great because we were younger and it was hot at the time. Look back at some of those beats and rhymes. Most of them are generic as hell, most of the songs sound the same, and on top of that, the messages are all negative.

Cats in here, grew up and still want to re-live that era. Most of the early 00s production is and it was bound to get switched up when stagnation took place.

(i hate being long winded on here but shyt scressful my nikka)

true indeed. but for every will smith you had 5 tupacs.this is why hiphop as a whole been kind of corny lately. these j cole kendrick wale types be dope rappers but they lack that star quality or "it" factor that make a nikka like ghostface or cam or pac or jada interesting to talk to.take that recent jada interview for example.cole kendrick and drake are no where near as entertaining as listening to kiss speak for a few minutes.those dudes are dope rappers but they're corny.this is why the over all vibe of hiphop is getting boring and dry.and no, i dont mean gangster rappers beefing or killing each other.more so that hood nikkas like people i grew up with have no representation in a culture that was created so they could have a voice.

regular every day guy rappers being the majority in hiphop is why you can have nikkas wearing skirts and dresses and all type of fruity shyt thats not hiphop getting pumped to the masses and nobody saying shyt about it.
same reason why you got nikkas scared to say kendrick got robbed because they will be out there on their own voicing a politically incorrect opinion.our culture is being censored my nikka.hiphop is supposed to be politically incorrect.how we go from fukk the police to batty boy anthems?

if a nikka made fukk the police today the powers that be would blackball that ass.

hiphop been

IMO, the bigger crime is when the "hood nikkas" censored Public Enemy and De La Soul and calling them "lame" because they didn't go the self destructive route, ON TOP OF the gangsta oldheads re-writing history, thinking that rap started out as gangsta rap. That pisses me off that the positive 80s artists are literally forgotten outside of a few.

 

[ALLiKNOWizPAIN]

Troy ave will basically be the ny version of alley boy

Stop it

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

Stop it

Why not? Both'em are known more for things they've said and/or done rather then the music they put out

Both use the "real street nikka" angle to promote themselves,and both of'em won't sell shyt and will mainly get recognition on message boards like this

 

[JQ Legend]

The reason 50 lost to Kanye is because 50 had a lot of haters

Kanye came out the gate a multi platinum artist and that was both of their 3rd albums and in the first 2 albums it wasn't even close

50 saying shyt like "if Kanye wins, I'll retire" is what made Kanye sell so much

People who hated 50 went and bought Kanye album, I'm pretty sure for most people who bought Graduation first week, that was their first time buying a Kanye cd

Kanye went almost platinum in a week when he barely sold half that in his previous albums that had bigger singles than Graduation did, most the hype behind Graduation was because of the 50 sales battle

50 saying shyt like "if I sell less I'll retire" was the beginning of his end and the beginning of Kanye being an elite artist

That wasn't some ploy to get street rappers out the game, that was 50 not realizing people were beginning to get tired of his cockiness

The very next year TI had the biggest album and Jeezy had a successful year, Ross hit his peak 2yrs later with a song dedicated to a drug dealing empire

Street music is not popular like it was because it is not as good as it used to be especially not NY street music

 

[dubsmith_nz]

Yes but Not in the mainstream. Meek mill is the only young street rapper in the mainstream, and the media acts like he doesn't even exist.

This is done on purpose

This just went Platinum, YG bringing the gangster back

 

[Art Barr]

Cats in here, grew up and still want to re-live that era. Most of the early 00s production is and it was bound to get switched up when stagnation took place.


IMO, the bigger crime is when the "hood nikkas" censored Public Enemy and De La Soul and calling them "lame" because they didn't go the self destructive route, ON TOP OF the gangsta oldheads re-writing history, thinking that rap started out as gangsta rap. That pisses me off that the positive 80s artists are literally forgotten outside of a few.

prolific posting!!!

Art Barr

 

[Plexxx]

Troy Ave