What's wrong with being a :cape:?

[Max B]

Why should I do that?

are you srs?

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

are you srs?

.....Yes?

 

[Diondon]

Have some self respect and grow a backbone

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

Have some self respect and grow a backbone

Who is this comment directed at?

 

[Diondon]

Who is this comment directed at?

At the nikka who asked the topic question

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

At the nikka who asked the topic question

That was me.

 

[Kenny West]

It isn't transparent to me. It never has been. Also a large amount of men are taught that putting your hands on a women is wrong from a young age. So it stands to reason that may factor into some men's decision making.

Have you ever witnessed a cape situation in person?

You're talking from a idealized impersonal frame. The reasoning is highly transparent, especially since most capes actually go at the girl afterward on more than some "are you okay" shyt

If someone doesn't ask for help it's wrong to offer assistance??

It's not wrong, it aint right neither. You're just acting on your own violition.

What if they are afraid to ask for help? What if they don't see you

then mind ya fukkin business. She don't need to see you to ask someone for help. You ever heard of the age old tactic of yelling "help!"? Trust if they really needed the help you would know

the thing about this situation including the domestic violence angles is that these women are in these situations sometimes of their own violation. It doesn't make sense but that's women for you. some chicks gravitate toward relationships with physical or mental abuse. this ain't the type of situation you can deduce at face value, which is worse cause caping is risky business. This is why I feel like you lack life experience on this subject because there should be a natural caution when jumping into these situations. lots of dudes have gotten killed whilst brandishing their capes and even more caught ass whippings.

So go on and make the decision for yourself. just don't die in anguish over some random broad who didn't want or need your help.

Is assisting a woman who is getting smacked around by a man inherently noble as well? Or getting beat up period?

NO. The act in itself may be nice, but because there is the possibility it was done to secure affection (sex) then there is no inherent nobility. Breaking up a fight between dudes has extra hidden incentive and is usually done for the well being of the people fighting

 

[Diondon]

That was me.

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

Have you ever witnessed a cape situation in person?

You're talking from a idealized impersonal frame. The reasoning is highly transparent, especially since most capes actually go at the girl afterward on more than some "are you okay" shyt





It's not wrong, it aint right neither. You're just acting on your own violition.



then mind ya fukkin business. She don't need to see you to ask someone for help. You ever heard of the age old tactic of yelling "help!"? Trust if they really needed the help you would know

the thing about this situation including the domestic violence angles is that these women are in these situations sometimes of their own violation. It doesn't make sense but that's women for you. some chicks gravitate toward relationships with physical or mental abuse. this ain't the type of situation you can deduce at face value, which is worse cause caping is risky business. This is why I feel like you lack life experience on this subject because there should be a natural caution when jumping into these situations. lots of dudes have gotten killed whilst brandishing their capes and even more caught ass whippings.

So go on and make the decision for yourself. just don't die in aguish over some random broad who didn't want or need your help.



NO. The act in itself may be nice, but because there is the possibility it was done to secure affection (sex) then there is no inherent nobility. Breaking up a fight between dudes has extra hidden incentive and is usually done for the well being of the people fighting

You're talking from a idealized impersonal frame. The reasoning is highly transparent, especially since most capes actually go at the girl afterward on more than some "are you okay" shyt

This seems like a bunch of assumptions personally. Even if they do go at the girl afterwards, so what? If the guy is hetro-sexual and the girl cute why wouldn't he? Is flirting only ok if you haven't done something polite for the person previously?

then mind ya fukkin business. She don't need to see you to ask someone for help. You ever heard of the age old tactic of yelling "help!"? Trust if they really needed the help you would know

So if you happen upon a rape somewhere....and the woman is saying things like "no" "stop" etc. you wouldn't do anything because she didn't explicitly say "someone help me?"

the thing about this situation including the domestic violence angles is that these women are in these situations sometimes of their own violation. It doesn't make sense but that's women for you. some chicks gravitate toward relationships with physical or mental abuse. this ain't the type of situation you can deduce at face value, which is worse cause caping is risky business. This is why I feel like you lack life experience on this subject because there should be a natural caution when jumping into these situations. lots of dudes have gotten killed whilst brandishing their capes and even more caught ass whippings.

Domestic violence is more complicated then that but that's a discussion for a different day.

Who said don't be cautious in these situations? What's wrong with a simple "is everything ok".

And you keep talking about domestic disputes between men and women. Are you implying it's only caping if the person you're helping is a woman?

So go on and make the decision for yourself. just don't die in aguish over some random broad who didn't want or need your help

So your definition of caping is when a man tries to help random women in the street? And your stance is that it is wrong because you may be killed? Do you believe everything that could potentially end in death is bad?

NO. The act in itself may be nice, but because there is the possibility it was done to secure affection (sex) then there is no inherent nobility. Breaking up a fight between dudes has extra hidden incentive and is usually done for the well being of the people fighting

So the possibility that the reason someone defends another could be be for sexual reward ruins caping for you? You are also insinuating that if a man breaks up a fight it's for the well being of the participants but if a man breaks up a fight between a man and a woman it's because he wants sex?

If a gay dude breaks up a fight between 2 dudes would you assume that it's because he wants sex? If a woman broke up a fight between 2 dudes would you assume it's because she wants sex? If a grown man breaks up a fight between a little girl and boy is it because he's a pedophile?

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

But seriously though, how is it considered "growing a backbone" by not helping someone?

 

[Diondon]

But seriously though, how is it considered "growing a backbone" by not helping someone?

My comment was targeted at caping for hoes

 

[Max B]

So the possibility that the reason someone defends another could be be for sexual reward ruins caping for you? You are also insinuating that if a man breaks up a fight it's for the well being of the participants but if a man breaks up a fight between a man and a woman it's because he wants sex?

If a gay dude breaks up a fight between 2 dudes would you assume that it's because he wants sex? If a woman broke up a fight between 2 dudes would you assume it's because she wants sex? If a grown man breaks up a fight between a little girl and boy is it because he's a pedophile?

 

[Kenny West]

This seems like a bunch of assumptions personally. Even if they do go at the girl afterwards, so what? If the guy is hetro-sexual and the girl cute why wouldn't he? Is flirting only ok if you haven't done something polite for the person previously?

Oh shut the fukk up. you don't gotta play stupid to have logical conversation, and all the hyperbole examples (rape example) isn't necessary.
We're pigeonholing caping in scenarios of strangers getting beaten in the street.

If someone is getting full on beaten past the point defenselessness and in mortal danger in the streets, by all means help them male or female. however being hit doesn't necessarily mean being "beaten"

I can't believe I had to explain that to what I think is a grown man

Caping is when a male feels the need to "save" a woman from:

her man (ex. telling her that her man is cheating on her, isn't right for her etc)
herself
life

and in some cases that's even if she may appear to need it or want it. as a man it doesn't respect her ability to fix her own problems. in a sense it doesn't acknowledge her as an adult. you act like have to care for her and try to direct her like a child.

And to women it enforces the frame that they are inferior to us. I think women truly resent that frame and reassert their control via manipulation. It might be a clue as to why women shyt on simps souls so hard.


hm....got some interesting discourse out of this somehow