when AI makes STEM/Coding brehs obsolete......

[Ty Daniels]

as a non-programmer who has been been running various code created by LLM's since chatgpt debuted I strongly disagree. If you're inquisitive and have the mindset to troubleshoot then you can start off small with small projects to get productive results.

I understand your position, but....

There are certain things about knowing how to code and App architecture in general that is needed to be really effective.

Even when prompting, there is a "Not Knowing" what "You Don't Know" aspect of it, where someone "Who Knows" can "Prompt" for more specific results.

Sure you can have the AI build "app code", how is your app structured? are you "separating concerns"?

Is the UI/UX correct? is a function "over-engineered"?, is the LLM referring/using imaginary "ghost functions" or props?

What about "Re-Rolls", where you are then tasked to add additions to your existing code, how do you, not really understanding app architecture/coding going to "Safe Guard" from the LLMs inevitable "Drift" and lack of coherence?


To me is sounds like you are learning as you go along, which isn't an issue.


But for the average person who knows nothing about coding, or app architecture in general, will not find consistent results on a project "Vibe Coding".

To get the most out of it, you really have to understand coding, and application architecture.

 

[null]

people like @null look at it with complete blinders on.

He isolates to one particular view and fails to see the bigger picture.

He only applies to what he deems is applicable to him.

Not realizing his predicament with his limited scope.

He's the type to get blindsided and laid the fukk out.

this is why he's chanting about LLMs.

it is what it is; dinosaurs will die.

we already did the name calling and unfounded babble with the blockchain wave.

so can we focus on the mechanics of how they work this time?

 

[maxamusa]

Yeah but the trickle down effect. Folks celebrating tech bros losing jobs don’t realize it circles back and hits everyone

These oligarchs aren’t trying to create new opportunities; they’re trying to run entire industries with as few workers as possible. When engineers, designers, analysts, and support staff are laid off, that’s thousands of people suddenly not spending. No dinners out. No new phones. No gym memberships. No daycare upgrades. No vacations. Then the ripple spreads.

The neighborhood restaurant loses regulars and shuts down.
Retail stores see slower sales and cut staff.
Landlords feel it when rent payments start slipping.
Airlines need bailouts or go under.
Cities lose tax revenue, so public services get cut.

Even people who think they’re “safe” aren’t. Gig workers get squeezed when Waymo-style self-driving cars replace rideshare drivers. Delivery drivers get undercut by drones and automated fulfillment. Warehouse jobs shrink as robotics scale up. Customer service roles vanish into AI chatbots. Marketing, accounting, paralegals same story.

When fewer people earn money, fewer people spend money. And when spending drops, small businesses die first, not billionaires. The rich still eat. Still travel. Still invest. Everyone else fights over fewer scraps.

So yeah, cheering layoffs because “they made more than me” is short-sighted. An economy can’t survive when productivity rises but wages and jobs disappear. You can’t automate your way to prosperity if no one can afford to buy what’s being produced.

Unions protect workers inside but they can’t protect a job that’s been eliminated. If an entire department is automated, outsourced, or “restructured,” seniority doesn’t matter. I've seen it any my work (hospital) they got rid of the whole unionized department for health records before it was manual and then became electronic. They were just given a decent severance package and given notice but being in a union did not protect them.

100% agree.



It is a major problem across the board.

 

[maxamusa]

we already did the name calling and unfounded babble with the blockchain wave.

so can we focus on the mechanics of how they work this time?

If you need an explanation you're already cooked; good luck breh.



Kick that shyt to your overloads or get it while the gettings good and sail off to the sunset.

 

[maxamusa]

They don't. Just doom and gloom from people outside the club.

Being blindly optimistic on some faith shyt is the only reality?

 

[null]

They don't. Just doom and gloom from people outside the club.

i don't think LLMs are that capable based on my experience using them for coding

i don't even think i am part of a club.

what i would like to do is focus on how dangerous/capable they are.

like i didn't realize until today that they are now using LLMs for self-driving.

i think agents might deliver some value



i don't think that we are anywhere remotely close to AGI.

i am not beefing about it but a value-added discussion means that we might get something solid out of this.

 

[MikelArteta]

100% agree.



It is a major problem across the board.

yup
all these ceos and companies care about is how much money they can make and staff salary is usually the number 1 cost for most organizations

the lie of ai was selling the it will be like autopilot you still need the pilot but the autopilot is there to help ease things tools requiring constant human oversight, but navigating the unexpected, monitoring system performance still needing teh human touch

But what they want is no pilot at all just straight AI doing everything


im a blue collar worker delivering packages for ups screw y'all tech brehs, tech brehs lose their jobs, suddenly people ordering stuff and shipping is down, suddenly that ups gig they don't need all those drivers

 

[null]

If you need an explanation you're already cooked; good luck breh.

Kick that shyt to your overloads or get it while the gettings good and sail off to the sunset.

so fact-based discussion has been ruled out.

ok

 

[maxamusa]

so fact-based discussion has been ruled out.

ok

brother; the only fact is that you are solo in claiming this is some type of propaganda.


I'm not sure what sector you work in; or if you have no access to any type of social media outside of the coli.

This perspective is widespread; and the Big Dogs are moving accordingly to said sentiment.

Go start a TedTalk and tell them why they're wrong.


then for your sake milk them for every red cent you can.

 

[Wild self]

Yeah but the trickle down effect. Folks celebrating tech bros losing jobs don’t realize it circles back and hits everyone

These oligarchs aren’t trying to create new opportunities; they’re trying to run entire industries with as few workers as possible. When engineers, designers, analysts, and support staff are laid off, that’s thousands of people suddenly not spending. No dinners out. No new phones. No gym memberships. No daycare upgrades. No vacations. Then the ripple spreads.

The neighborhood restaurant loses regulars and shuts down.
Retail stores see slower sales and cut staff.
Landlords feel it when rent payments start slipping.
Airlines need bailouts or go under.
Cities lose tax revenue, so public services get cut.

Even people who think they’re “safe” aren’t. Gig workers get squeezed when Waymo-style self-driving cars replace rideshare drivers. Delivery drivers get undercut by drones and automated fulfillment. Warehouse jobs shrink as robotics scale up. Customer service roles vanish into AI chatbots. Marketing, accounting, paralegals same story.

When fewer people earn money, fewer people spend money. And when spending drops, small businesses die first, not billionaires. The rich still eat. Still travel. Still invest. Everyone else fights over fewer scraps.

So yeah, cheering layoffs because “they made more than me” is short-sighted. An economy can’t survive when productivity rises but wages and jobs disappear. You can’t automate your way to prosperity if no one can afford to buy what’s being produced.

Unions protect workers inside but they can’t protect a job that’s been eliminated. If an entire department is automated, outsourced, or “restructured,” seniority doesn’t matter. I've seen it any my work (hospital) they got rid of the whole unionized department for health records before it was manual and then became electronic. They were just given a decent severance package and given notice but being in a union did not protect them.

Cannibalism.

Societal chaos.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

You think you're smarter and more efficient then a quantum computer




you better start lifting weights and learn how to use some hand tools; at the bare minimum have my coffee / bacon egg and cheese on deck by 9:05 sharp.

Stink indians will always stink ..

Stay in CACanada..


The Bangladesh run Reno liquor corners

Ceasers entertainment has bought 90% of diwntown

 

[Marlow Stanfield]

You know what? If AI puts our SWE's, Data Scientists, and Engineers out of work, they'll move into robotics (as someone else said). Once robots put everyone else out of work, we'll move on to space colonization.

We'll be launching to Mars by 2040

 

[Tair]

You know what? If AI puts our SWE's, Data Scientists, and Engineers out of work, they'll move into robotics (as someone else said). Once robots put everyone else out of work, we'll move on to space colonization.

We'll be launching to Mars by 2040

This is how we used to do our calculations before computers/calculators

That is an abacus and was used to perform quick calculations. For more complex calculations we used reference manuals or tables to look up what we needed.

instead of wasting time looking up reference pages/tables those scientists/engineers moved on to doing the more interesting work with the aid of computers. The case is the same with AI today, we won't become obsolete rather the tedious work will be done by the AI, and when the kinks of AI are worked out we'll be able to utilize it to aid us in shortcutting some of the harder tasks and gaining more insight into problems we encounter. Just like some of us do with solving PDEs, we can prompt the AI to do it and finish portions of our work/projects quicker than before. That is why I say it'll end up opening up more jobs and those of us in STEM should be learning as much as we can about AI/robotics.
But, I bet some ignorant breh at the time said, "computers/calculators gonna put y'all mathematicians/scientists out of a job! "


Cats so damn ignorant it's hilarious.

 

[jay83]

What’s next? AI comedians?

 

[JT-Money]

Being blindly optimistic on some faith shyt is the only reality?

Tech workers for the most part are delusional. But it's mainly this new batch that got hired during the pandemic. They don't want to face reality at all.

One of them trying to run me out of the tech layoff thread. Because I'm posting about tech layoffs.