Gil Scott-Heroin
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Younger fans are only pushing back because this era is shytted on all the time.
When did Jordan Stans become so insecure?
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28 Gramz
How U Luv That???
His team was a shyt show for 3 years after Shaq left. He got Gasol(a 1x allstar) and went to the Finals 3x in a row. If he jumped around like Bron he would easily have tied Jordan in rings and probably had a few more MVPs.
He doesnt really though
Most people who use the scoring title thing are too stupid to think mathmetically, as in how many points did lebron have in the same career timeframe as jordan. Minute to minute. Lebrins is less.
Team hopping doesnt seem to register to those people as a negative. He attempted to manufacture guaranteed finals teams each time he jumped, and failed many times at doing so. Pretty transparent to see to anyone intelligent.
DOPY's? Michael.
Mvps? Michael.
Scoring titles for seasons? Michael.
Most achievments in a shorter timeframe? Jordan.
And difficulty of teams in the finals? Jordans teams he played actually overall averaged more season wins than lebrons teams by .5 if im not mistaking. So thats out
There's more also. And i didnt use the championship record.
Its extremely easy to dismantle the lebron thing. Lebron stans typically arent educated enough on the game. Hence why they are less attached to history.
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Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
your career and winning makes you goat
not coulda shoulda woulda bullshyt
shouldnt have an opinion on shyt you only seen 5% of in real time
its like having a conversation with someone about 1970s muscle cars and they were born in 2000
its not even a conversation at that point.... its just talking with a child with no experience of anything
not coulda shoulda woulda bullshyt
shouldnt have an opinion on shyt you only seen 5% of in real time
its like having a conversation with someone about 1970s muscle cars and they were born in 2000
its not even a conversation at that point.... its just talking with a child with no experience of anything
murksiderock
Superstar
Don't be hypocritical. You Mike nikkas don't say "Mike is the greatest player I've ever seen", yall say "he's the greatest player ever" even though you never saw Russell, Wilt, O, West, or Baylor to make a direct observation from your own eyes. You nikkas saw part of Kareem's career but not even his peak, but feel confident calling Mike better...
You Mike apologists are the fukking worst, always want nikkas to do shyt yall don't hold yourselves to...
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
but you juelz regardless
its no different than mayweather, I personally hate lightweight division in boxing and dont care for Floyd... but his record speaks for itself
I wouldnt put him in my top 3 ... but he can easily be based on his track record. Kareem and other players alone have Jordan beat in terms of actual basketball careers. Thats why when LipStick Alley transplants who dont hoop, such as yourself... get emotion over "Mike Apologists" you look stupid as fukk. There's arguements that easily eclipse Jordan... but its not people who lose more than they win and hide behind other men.
you gotta also look at actual impact on top of record too... people would say Ali was the best Boxer... his record and actual fights, never being knocked out is paired with his fight against USA and religion in general. Majority of people wanted him to lose and wished he was in jail forever. That magnifies the sport and the wins he did attain. That doesnt really make him better than say a Joe Louis etc But impact wise mixed with his record he is the most important figure in boxing history. Same with Jordan, you mix not losing with creating a lane internationally and putting basketball and merchandise on the map for the first time in basketball history on a global scale... and you cant argue against that. Without Jordan you have no Kobe, Lebron etc. You dont even get Jason Tatum trying to be Kobe and wearing Jordan shyt... or Luka etc. Lebron doesnt even have a Nike contract or a goal to meet in his existence. Athletically, Skill wise, career wise and heart and soul... there's no guard comparison... you name Jerry West and Oscar like they are on the same level as MJ which is laughable. Its clear when you talk to people who actually seen the shyt and who didnt. Dr J, Dominique, Ja Morant, whoever you wanna name playing guard has never had the complete package and drive to win like MJ... its not even close... he lived his career and proved that.
you also cry about kareem (which I already said is debatable) Kareem doesnt have the same career or all around game that Jordan has. You can debate he is better career wise... but you are proving my point. You have to actually have a near perfect career to even be in the debate. You are the same person who "researched" and shyt on Kareem and then post multiple threads saying "nobody considers him GOAT" while also using stats and other shyt that doesnt matter to prop up another man without putting Kareem in your top 5. That's what ive always pointed out in people.... you cant say suddenly only stats matter but then not give credit to John Stockton, Westbrook, Oscar, Wilt etc and stats suddenly only matter to prop up your opinion. The only stat in any sport that matters is winning, you could score 80 points every game and lose and who really cares. Look how nikkas treat westbrook and Oscar... they give credit to Kareem and say westbrook stat pads cause he cant close games. It makes you a superstar player for life but not GOAT
any juelzing or goalpost moving, crying complaining and changing the narriative doesnt change the fact that winning matters most. Saying "you didnt watch 60s and 70s, while putting words in my mouth about whos the greatest" negates your entire existence since you've seen nothing. And document yourself basing legendary terrible posting, on 10 minute youtube videos that you review on here for everyone to see and laugh at.
murksiderock
Superstar
Why you so angry and love hurling insults all the time?
Your Oreo ass did all this deflecting based off your statement, that not seeing Mike play didn't warrant an opinion on him, yet you didn't see Baylor or West and have an opinion on them...
I'm not the one who said if you never saw a guy play, you can't have an opinion on them. You trying too hard, (half)black man...
"Brother" man I'm amongst the most transparent posters on this site, you can't use what I've said against me...
I grew up playing streetball, never made a basketball team (only tried out twice) because I was a football player, and both years I was the final cut, so in theory if I had someone to really show me how to play ball, and/or if I had the same passion and dedication to growing my game there as I did for football, I could have easily made a prep squad...
Your opinions are yours to have but are certainly fueled by emotion. LeBron hasn't lost more than he's won so this characterization you have is not only inaccurate but its a window into the flaw in how you watch games and players. Congratulations, though...
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
you confuse typing with anger I dont care about you at allWhy you so angry and love hurling insults all the time?
Your Oreo ass did all this deflecting based off your statement, that not seeing Mike play didn't warrant an opinion on him, yet you didn't see Baylor or West and have an opinion on them...
I'm not the one who said if you never saw a guy play, you can't have an opinion on them. You trying too hard, (half)black man...
"Brother" man I'm amongst the most transparent posters on this site, you can't use what I've said against me...
I grew up playing streetball, never made a basketball team (only tried out twice) because I was a football player, and both years I was the final cut, so in theory if I had someone to really show me how to play ball, and/or if I had the same passion and dedication to growing my game there as I did for football, I could have easily made a prep squad...
Your opinions are yours to have but are certainly fueled by emotion. LeBron hasn't lost more than he's won so this characterization you have is not only inaccurate but its a window into the flaw in how you watch games and players. Congratulations, though...
you literally said in the past 2 paragraphs
"that not seeing Mike play didn't warrant an opinion on him, yet you didn't see Baylor or West and have an opinion on them..."
"You Mike nikkas don't say "Mike is the greatest player I've ever seen", yall say "he's the greatest player ever" even though you never saw Russell, Wilt, O, West, or Baylor to make a direct observation from your own eyes"
by your account you barely saw Kobe and only really saw Lebron play
he still hasnt even caught Duncan or Kobe ... you can say opinion this or opinion that but its facts ... you can juelz all you want around that
1 of those players directly elevated himself through Lebron... the other stayed on his team and became the best laker of all time. There's still a realm of basketball players more accomplished and above that. You not seeing Mike actually play makes conversation pointless like I said in my first post. nikkas couldnt even beat or man up to Kawhi... Jordan is 2 maybe 3 times the player of Kawhi. When you can shoot, have actual handle to break your man down, some of the wildest elevation of all time, some of the greatest finishing in history and the ability to palm the ball and do what you want. There's not really much anyone can do to stop that. You are autistic enough to say Lebron hasnt lost more than he's won
what the fukk are you even saying. This is where Lebron gets fukked up... cause he has people like you defending him making him look terrible. He's a legend an amazing player but you cant bend reality like it doesnt exist. Lebron has the most finals losses of all time 4-6 record while picking his teams and jumping ship 3 times. This is all factual, regardless of how or what you post.nikkas love sucking dikk and deflecting. I love Jordan, but I would have laughed if he lost to Charles Barkley or whoever... people, especially grown men arent on the dikk of the next man like you are. If you love that man, thats fine say you love that man. You try to say I'm a Jordan stan but I really could give a fukk less about him. Its just certain levels exist in the realm of professional competitive sports. There's nikkas who win and nikkas who dont. I cant sit here and tell you Tom Brady or Michael Jordan or Floyd Mayweather are chumps because they are proven to be the pinnacle of domination and relentless excellence. It is what it is, we cant change that. Lebron is one of the most consistent and blessed forwards in the history of the league, he's hybrid magic to me. But like Magic there's alot of holes in his game. The highlight of his career is Ray Allen and Bosh winning the game for him. Thats the single most important thing that's happened to him in real time. You can run down a list of getting swept by the Spurs on backdoor cuts from Argentinian 6th man, to shrinking constantly to Dirk, Deshawn Stevenson and JJ Barrea. Getting outplayed by Jason Terry. This is all facts and shyt they will play on TV in VR in the year 2145
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
If you wanna work off this logic, than nobody can comment on who's the GOAT because nobody is old enough (and of sane, clear mind) to have witnessed every single player in existence.
Not you, not anyone.
All that shyt you posted trying to justify your position about MJ doesn't mean a cotdamn thing.
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
How do you think this makes sense to you when the '17 Warriors would beat every team that Jordan was a part of?
You can't use regular season records from eras that are decades apart to make some determination on the strength/ability of opponents. It's mind boggling but all too not surprising that you'd use this kind of logic. Leave it to MJ stans to make everything out to be black and white.
Peruvian Connect
Superstar
Sounds like LeBron stans such as yourself are insecure
Peruvian Connect
Superstar
Kobe was never gonna be the consensus goat. He never had that unconditional love,
But it's okay when y'all do it?