When did Vince McMahon lose "touch" with fans to you?

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Here Comes the Pain said:
There is no pro wrestling without Vince McMahon.

The only time he was clueless was when raw was getting special guest GMs every week back in 09.
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yeah this is the only real answer. Everything else is a result of bad writing

The cream rised to the top after the Invasion angle and WWE writers were able to work with RVD, Booker T, and a few other WCW/ECW guys

but the continuous Celeb guests each week was pure shyt and laziness. I refuse to even re-watch any of those RAWs on the Network
 
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My friend says the day he decided to refer to Pro Wrestling as Sports Entertainment. :dead:

I'll go with the WCW purchase, which was the final piece of Vince's vision going back to the 80's, when he first started buying up the territories, because he finally achieved what he set out to do. What he didn't understand, the fans don't want everyone under the same roof, short term it's great, long term not so, people grow disinterested, much quicker then if everything is spread out. Since getting WCW everything else has all been about growing the business commercially.

The pushing of Cena down our throats and not learning the lessons from The Rock's initial run and still making the same mistakes with Reigns now, definitely lost his step. How you going to have the blueprint, but not use it :snoop: .

Since then it's been 15 years of 1 step forward, 2 steps back, booking wise.
 
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Dog Based Gremlin said:
yeah this is the only real answer. Everything else is a result of bad writing

The cream rised to the top after the Invasion angle and WWE writers were able to work with RVD, Booker T, and a few other WCW/ECW guys

but the continuous Celeb guests each week was pure shyt and laziness. I refuse to even re-watch any of those RAWs on the Network
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Forcing wrestlers the fans reject because they're big isn't bad writing. It's stupid as fukk.

And i'm not even just talking about Roman, I'm thinking of Khali :francis:
 
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Can we say he ever really had it? This is the same man that didn't "get" Austin 3:16 and had no intention on going anywhere with it.
 
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PlayerNinety_Nine said:
I don't know if it was by design or luck, in the 80's and 90's he was surrounded by people who were in tune with aspects of pop culture. I feel like he lost touch with the fans when he stopped paying attention to it.

I've made this point in other threads - Back in the day - they had champions that were reflective of the time. Hogan/ Warrior were the parallel to the larger than life coked up 80's. Bret, Shawn and Austin were the Generation X champions, Rock was the 'late 90's rise of mainstream hip-hop' champ.

You could throw Cena into this argument as well, as his rise was around the same time that Eminem was putting up numbers.

Maybe JBL's 'George W. Bush' era racist Republican a$$hole champ too.

It feels like they lost interest with trying to keep up with the outside world around this time.

They haven't really built anyone in that mould since. Punk was a missed opportunity as the rep for the millennials standing up against Baby Boomer Vince.

Bryan had enough juice with the fans to bring that wave back, if he hadn't gone down so soon into his title run - we might have got something out of them.

I have no idea how they could apply this to Roman. Vince wants him to be 'The Guy', but the character doesn't really relate to anything outside the WWE bubble.
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I'm interested to see what other threads you've made this point in. Could you link me to one? :jbhmm:
 
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dh86 said:
It only worked out for WWF because WCW had zero idea what to do with Bret. It could have went very differently.
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I don't disagree that they booked him badly, but how was anything that could have been done better with him going to derail Vince from seizing arguable GOAT heel status with his perfected on screen character, kill the buzz Tyson brought, and outdraw an on fire Austin (and, eventually, Rock)? Goldberg had one of the best drawing runs in wrestling history and it still had no effect on WWF's ascension during this time frame.

WCW died because its business model (if you could even call it that at by the end) was completely fukked up and the Time Warner merger sealed an inevitable fate. What Vince did once he bought it definitely belongs as fodder for this discussion; fukking over Bret and milking it for his own indisputable benefit, actually showing awareness of his audience's perception of him and incorporating it into kayfabe perfectly, does not.
 
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