When People Say Jay “Took” The Whisper Flow From Chris…

[7th Letter Specialist]

That's straight Lupe, lol.

I remember Lupe saying back then that he was went Jay all the time in the studio and wanted him to executive produce his first album, and how they would talk music all day. Then AG dropped the next year, and you could hear mad Lupe cadence all over the album. Then on The Cool, there were tracks when Lupe was flowing like Jay, lol. MC's pull styles from each other all the time.

Gold Watch.

 

[diggy]

It's nice to see Chris still workin

 

[JuvenileHell]

Of course I stole your flow u was usin it wrong

 

[Braman]

Jay signed the kid, jacked his swag and his bars then buried his career. All for less than he paid for a single Kanye beat after BP1. The game is the game

This how nggas flim flam flop history. This take is goofy

Chris’ career was buried bc he didn’t want to separate from Neef who was a vastly inferior rapper. At that time everyone was trying to copy the duo model; Clipse, Smilez and southstar, Phillys most wanted, Boo n Gotti. YG’s was at the tail end of that run and by the time their 2nd album came that wave was dead. Not to mention the album itself was trash.

But despite all that, jay exec produced Tough Luv, which had 2 smash hits that still get run to this day, was one of the best produced rocafella albums of all time, gave them a feature with TWO verses, gave Chris a solo feature on BP2 something he rarely did, not to mention all the gas he gave Chris on Hot 97. ‘Jay buried Chris career’ is a causal’s take you wasn’t there

 

[Manolo]

Jay been one of my favorite rappers for a long time but he was NOT rapping like this until the Young Gunz came around. This is an undeniable switch that happened in 2002 and it was a direct result of Young Chris

This is another Chris solo that shows the whisper flow

 

[Mike Wins]

This how nggas flim flam flop history. This take is goofy

Chris’ career was buried bc he didn’t want to separate from Neef who was a vastly inferior rapper. At that time everyone was trying to copy the duo model; Clipse, Smilez and southstar, Phillys most wanted, Boo n Gotti. YG’s was at the tail end of that run and by the time their 2nd album came that wave was dead. Not to mention the album itself was trash.

But despite all that, jay exec produced Tough Luv, which had 2 smash hits that still get run to this day, was one of the best produced rocafella albums of all time, gave them a feature with TWO verses, gave Chris a solo feature on BP2 something he rarely did, not to mention all the gas he gave Chris on Hot 97. ‘Jay buried Chris career’ is a causal’s take you wasn’t there

Between Young Gunz first and second album, Sigel went with Dame over Hov to release The B. Coming. Everyone else from State Property that stayed with Roc-A-Fella got buried after that. The couple projects that got released got no push and had no chance. But you should know that since you was there

 

[Braman]

Between Young Gunz first and second album, Sigel went with Dame over Hov to release The B. Coming. Everyone else from State Property that stayed with Roc-A-Fella got buried after that. The couple projects that got released got no push and had no chance. But you should know that since you was there

Annnd…you’re blaming the roca fella break up on jay z?!?

Not only was that on dame, but even if it WAS on jay, and?!?! Imagine jay z sayin ‘nah hold up stop the deal I gotta look out for da young gunz’

We too old —-well I am—-to still look back at it with that ‘hold my hand’ mentality. Jay gave this ngga access to Kanye, Just, literally the greatest radio shout out in history, placements,verses, etc. And it’s jay fault he fell off a cliff after the deal over? Foh

Freeway was droppin music post Roc, Currensy a whole icon post YM, Freddie Gibbs is on after Jeezy, etc. Not tryin to hear that

 

[I'm Blackman]

"You made it a hot line style, I made it a hot song second half of my career"

 

[Mike Wins]

Annnd…you’re blaming the roca fella break up on jay z?!?

Not only was that on dame, but even if it WAS on jay, and?!?! Imagine jay z sayin ‘nah hold up stop the deal I gotta look out for da young gunz’

We too old —-well I am—-to still look back at it with that ‘hold my hand’ mentality. Jay gave this ngga access to Kanye, Just, literally the greatest radio shout out in history, placements,verses, etc. And it’s jay fault he fell off a cliff after the deal over? Foh

Freeway was droppin music post Roc, Currensy a whole icon post YM, Freddie Gibbs is on after Jeezy, etc. Not tryin to hear that

Show me where I blamed Jay for the Roc breakup. Just saying Young Gunz had momentum after the first album and the second one got no push. Freeway second album got the same treatment. Peedi Crack got shelved altogether. You want to justify it from a business perspective go ahead, but all of State Property got buried on Def Jam under Jay that's just how it is

 

[Braman]

The OG State Property album with “Do You Want Me” came out in January 2002. Jay’s Blueprint 2 came out November 2002. Jay lifted Chris’ verse and flow in general from that song and used it for years

Please tell me you didn’t think ‘excuse me miss’ came from Chris



See….some of you nggas was not there


And jay was influenced by Chris flow but that song is not even close to an example of it.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Gold Watch.

Exactly! That's definitely Jay's flow on that track.

And what's wild is, the producers of that track did "What More Can I Say" for Jay, and Lupe actually mentions Jay on the track, saying he's one of "Jay-Z's boys". LOL!! They were really referencing each other a lot back then.

 

[Cloud McFly]

Show me where I blamed Jay for the Roc breakup. Just saying Young Gunz had momentum after the first album and the second one got no push. Freeway second album got the same treatment. Peedi Crack got shelved altogether. You want to justify it from a business perspective go ahead, but all of State Property got buried on Def Jam under Jay that's just how it is

Peedi admitted that he blew the budget (900k) for his album on everything but his album, and when he wanted a whole new budget, Jay declined, so he started dissing him. I know, that’s surely Jay’s fault right?

As stated before, those cats were far from buried. Jay had them on magazine covers next to him and Lebron James, plus featured on all of their albums. Cats would kill for that type of promo today, but the facts don’t fit your narrative, so none of that matters.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

It's like Neef said about this, "People pick at little sh*t they wanna pick at in everything. Jay never bit anything from Chris. We all inspired each other and used the same slang". He said everybody quotes B.I.G. a lot, including Beans, but they never say Beans is biting B.I.G., but if Jay quotes B.I.G., then it becomes "Jay is biting B.I.G.". And that's true. People are so jealous of Jay's success, that they will try their hardest to discredit him and make up whole stories, to do it. Like Neef said, "Jay outworked and out-hustled everybody" and people can't take it.

They do the same sh*t with Dre, with the "He's not really making the beats" and "People around him aren't being credited for the music", "Daz is really the one that made this track and that track". And then Daz will come out and back Dre and call him a genius and then dudes will actually get mad at Daz and say he's covering for Dre. LOL!! It's only in Hip Hop, where people seem to have a hard time giving credit to the legends. Dudes would rather discredit the best people that have ever done it, than respect their work and give them props for it. Hater ass culture. Sh*t is wild.

You definitely make some good points but I just wanna say that I still think that’s a very political answer by Neef

 

[Controversy]

Peedi admitted that he blew the budget (900k) for his album on everything but his album, and when he wanted a whole new budget, Jay declined, so he started dissing him. I know, that’s surely Jay’s fault right?

As stated before, those cats were far from buried. Jay had them on magazine covers next to him and Lebron James, plus featured on all of their albums. Cats would kill for that type of promo today, but the facts don’t fit your narrative, so none of that matters.

The ironic thing is I threw a BBQ this past Sat in Philly at Fairmount Park...Peedi was in the bldg

In real life, very cool, laid back & humble

 

[nieman]

Although it's facts how Jay stole his flow we gotta keep it real. Chris bit off him as well. His whole pausing, breath control and spacing sounds like how jay would do it. He even does the lil...I guess breath, or "uh hunh" shyt he be doin on songs as well...that whole..."Ad-lib package" or whatever

Nah, that's how Chris actually talks, though. He talks the exact same way he raps. The pauses, the ad libs...the yeah yeah, the uhhh...hell, you only know he be rappin because they ish rhymes.