Field Marshall Bradley
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Okay...i hear you fam.
Yeah... you a lil on the slow side of the game
Where did this idea that MLK was a c00n come from?
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Yeah... you a lil on the slow side of the game
Dr. King was the most successful reformer of societal structure in modern history.
He has no equal.
this is the meeting that changed everything for our community.
ALonelyDad
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twitter clowns want you to live a 100% perfect life
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Where did it come from?
It started with the Nation and a young Malcolm X (before he split from NOI). They felt that King was an appeaser and didn't go far enough to condemn white supremacy and hatred. NOI was about action and aggression while King spoke of non-violent resistance.
MLK was marching in the Deep South in the 50's and 60's. He knew perfectly well that an aggressive approach would get many of his followers killed or worse. The NOI's stance was much easier to carry out in the highly segregated black neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago etc. They didn't understand the realities of what MLK was dealing with. His solution was the most prudent strategy for the types of people he was dealing with.
On top of that, MLK graduated from HS at 15, from Morehouse at 19 and had his PhD from Boston U by 26. His education was in books and he was raised in a solid middle class family. Malcolm grew up a bit rough after his father was killed and he bounced between his mother and then later his older sister in Boston. He was naturally very intelligent but I think he basically ate whatever the NOI was feeding him when he first got out of prison. He was so happy to be clean and reformed that I think he bought into all of the rhetoric without actually analyzing their stances. It wasn't until he got a little older that he realized the flaws in the Nation and developed a more nuanced perspective on the civil rights struggle.
Fast forward to the 80's and you have a lot of older Gen X rappers and socially conscious-types streaming out of Philly, NYC etc. They were looking back at the previous 20-25 years since the Civil Rights Act was signed and felt that little progress had been made. Considering that was the height of the crack epidemic, it's easy to see why they felt that way. There was this idea that MLK "won" the ideological battle but that blacks ended up in a worse position. That if we had applied Malcolm's principles, things would have turned out better. Taking a more militant stance would not have kept COINTELPRO, CIA etc. from pouring drugs into the 'hood. That was going to happen one way or the other. They felt King was soft...easy to call someone soft when you're standing on a street corner in Brooklyn or Harlem surrounded by 20 dozen other black people. It's a lot different than marching through a sundown town in Mississippi where the sheriff, judge and DA are all klan members and lead the white citizens council. None of that mattered. In their minds King failed them and his approach wasn't radical enough.
None of that is really true because King was thought of as a complete radical in his day. You had white supremacists that actually agreed on many issues with the NOI (mainly the ideas of separation etc). No white supremacist ever agreed with King. King got killed because he started talking about economic anxieties with the workers strike in Memphis. That's when he became "dangerous." Just talking about black issues is one thing........talking about the economic divide and attempting to get poor blacks/whites/others on the same page was more radical than anything we'd seen up to that point. There's nothing particularly radical about separating yourself from others. That was the status quo "as-is."
It started with the Nation and a young Malcolm X (before he split from NOI). They felt that King was an appeaser and didn't go far enough to condemn white supremacy and hatred. NOI was about action and aggression while King spoke of non-violent resistance.
MLK was marching in the Deep South in the 50's and 60's. He knew perfectly well that an aggressive approach would get many of his followers killed or worse. The NOI's stance was much easier to carry out in the highly segregated black neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago etc. They didn't understand the realities of what MLK was dealing with. His solution was the most prudent strategy for the types of people he was dealing with.
On top of that, MLK graduated from HS at 15, from Morehouse at 19 and had his PhD from Boston U by 26. His education was in books and he was raised in a solid middle class family. Malcolm grew up a bit rough after his father was killed and he bounced between his mother and then later his older sister in Boston. He was naturally very intelligent but I think he basically ate whatever the NOI was feeding him when he first got out of prison. He was so happy to be clean and reformed that I think he bought into all of the rhetoric without actually analyzing their stances. It wasn't until he got a little older that he realized the flaws in the Nation and developed a more nuanced perspective on the civil rights struggle.
Fast forward to the 80's and you have a lot of older Gen X rappers and socially conscious-types streaming out of Philly, NYC etc. They were looking back at the previous 20-25 years since the Civil Rights Act was signed and felt that little progress had been made. Considering that was the height of the crack epidemic, it's easy to see why they felt that way. There was this idea that MLK "won" the ideological battle but that blacks ended up in a worse position. That if we had applied Malcolm's principles, things would have turned out better. Taking a more militant stance would not have kept COINTELPRO, CIA etc. from pouring drugs into the 'hood. That was going to happen one way or the other. They felt King was soft...easy to call someone soft when you're standing on a street corner in Brooklyn or Harlem surrounded by 20 dozen other black people. It's a lot different than marching through a sundown town in Mississippi where the sheriff, judge and DA are all klan members and lead the white citizens council. None of that mattered. In their minds King failed them and his approach wasn't radical enough.
None of that is really true because King was thought of as a complete radical in his day. You had white supremacists that actually agreed on many issues with the NOI (mainly the ideas of separation etc). No white supremacist ever agreed with King. King got killed because he started talking about economic anxieties with the workers strike in Memphis. That's when he became "dangerous." Just talking about black issues is one thing........talking about the economic divide and attempting to get poor blacks/whites/others on the same page was more radical than anything we'd seen up to that point. There's nothing particularly radical about separating yourself from others. That was the status quo "as-is."
Fade Runner 2049
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Field Marshall Bradley
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Yup
Lil known fact... not only didn’t the majority of pastors not fukk with King... at least half of the black community didn’t fukk with the CRM
Wear My Dawg's Hat
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Which day of the January did many black folks successfully fight to convert into a federal holiday for Adam Clayton Powell?
Adam achieved much in Congress, but he wasn't Dr. King (...and he shouldn't be cast as a third banana to Bumpy Johnson in "Godfather of Harlem" either).
yea damn near 90% of black churches were against MLK at the end.. cuz of his poor peoples campaign and opposition to the vietnam war
it was another pastor and his "friend" billy kyles who was complicit in his assassination, the other was jesse jackson..
Only 13% Black Churches Supported Rev. Martin Luther King during Civil Rights Movement
LIBRadio.net The Martin King Assassination Coverup
they did that because dr king was in danger of being forgotten. nobody forget about what adam clayton powell contribute to black liberationWhich day of the January did many black folks successfully fight to convert into a federal holiday for Adam Clayton Powell?
Adam achieved much in Congress, but he wasn't Dr. King (...and he shouldn't be cast as a third banana to Bumpy Johnson in "Godfather of Harlem" either).
David_TheMan
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King was arrested with others for taking actions that basically boil down to white folks please accept me.
Activism is useless when it is misdirected, and that is what King's work was, especially after falling under the influence of Rustin
Dumb edgy hoteps who never done anything for the "cause" make stupid ass statements such as that. MLK didn't want integration on some "kumbaya" shyt he wanted it(in the beginning) because Whites had all the capital/better quality of life. Heck look up the segregated medical care. Heck look up poverty among Blacks before the civil rights. But going to the North he found out it wasn't that simple hence the reparation movement(which got him killed) which is still relevant.
if this dude was alive he'd polly
call MLK a uncle tom/c00n
You mean the same Robert F Williams that was apart of the same Civil Rights movement as MLK?
Tenchi Ryu
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There was a time period where here on coli this was a very popular opinion