Where do we rank this Denver defense all time?
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yseJ
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based on stats at the very least ? pretty much all stats
you want me to point out some stats ?
you can do it yourself Im sure since almost all of them will be in favor of other defenses
to start off, bucs, ravens and seahags had way more picks than tds allowed in pass d
bucs- 10 td and 31 picks
ravens - 11 td and 23 picks
hags - 16 td and 28 picks
85 bears- 16 td 34 picks
90 giants- 12 td 23 picks
and so on...
broncos--19 td and 14 picks......
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My top 5 in chronological order is 1978 steelers, 1985 bears, 2000 Ravens, 2002 Buccaneers, and 2013 Seahawks. Not sure I can put Denver over one of them. Yes I'm aware the steelers defense laid an egg in the super bowl but they pitched 5 shutouts during the year. Only team to have more than the 4 by the 2000 Ravens, who gave up 970 total rushing yards (nobody ran for 100), forced 48 turnovers and had 48 sacks I think, and gave up a 16 game record 165 points (151 on defense). They allowed 16 total points on defense in the playoffs while scoring 2 touchdowns in 4 games. They forced 5 turnovers in the super bowl, never even let the Giants into the red zone, and didn't even let them past the 50 yard line their last 5 possessions of the game. Tampa bay gave up fewer points than the 1985 bears, counting the playoffs scored 9 touchdowns in 19 games that season, and had 2 scores in the super bowl along with a record 6 turnovers (they really did have a very unfair advantage though 
). Seattle was the first team since those bears to lead the league in points allowed, yards allowed, and turnovers. Between their end zone stand to beat the niners and what they did to the highest scoring offense ever, they belong too. That shyt was damn near criminal. Not sure I'm comfortable bumping one of those teams off the list even if Denver was as good, and they were amazing all year long. I hope nobody forgets how good they were years down the line.
). Seattle was the first team since those bears to lead the league in points allowed, yards allowed, and turnovers. Between their end zone stand to beat the niners and what they did to the highest scoring offense ever, they belong too. That shyt was damn near criminal. Not sure I'm comfortable bumping one of those teams off the list even if Denver was as good, and they were amazing all year long. I hope nobody forgets how good they were years down the line.
you need to adjust for strength of schedule imo to really get a strong indicator. I dont think they were better than the 02 Bucs, but fairly similar to the 00 Ravens and '13 Seahawks.
Baltimore 00's schedule was absurdly easy. Couch, Leaf, Akili Smith, Kent Graham, Scott Mitchell all faced that defense.
I know.... :tocry49ers:
How do you even rank them, though? The league is so pass happy now compared to 2000 that seeing a defensive effort like last night is extremely impressive. Love when a D shuts down a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut. I have no idea where to rank them but I think the Seattle squad had more playmakers and ball hawks.
Edit: You also can't even sneeze on nikkaz now without getting flagged. Can't hit the QB, playing solid defense is even harder and I hate the league for it.
That game ripped my heart out and stomped on it. Pretty impressive considering we gave them their biggest test.
yseJ
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come on man, stop. look, I love this D, but this isnt quite a special all-time D. no homo
you can maybe make the case for one of the best all-time pass rushing defenses, but even then not quite true...
yseJ
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a defense isnt defined by one game. take last nights game away. now will you call this D an all time great ? people are just being reactionary as usual.
Would agree, it's hard because of the rule changes and such. However I think the offenses overall right now are better than they were in the early 2000's.
I think saying it was in the top 10 of the last 30 years isnt really too outrageous. I'm not going any further back...
I wish Brown had been healthy for the Steelers game though.,
yseJ
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top 10 in playoffs or overall ?
Never called the D an all time great, what I said was it's hard to rank defenses from different eras. With today's rules, how many more flags would that Ravens squad gotten? How would the rules changed the way they played? How many roughing the passer calls and illegal hits would be called? Just saying it's difficult.
