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He's A Good Man
song is avg. 600 Degreez is trash. made 500 Degreez actually seem decent.
Where does "A Hoe" by Juvenile rank in diss tracks
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Long Live The Kane
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Nobody but you bought 500 Degreez on the east coast, but it still went gold
...wayne "being in artist development mode up until 2003 because his career was in ruins" is some completely made up on the internet sh!t..like straight up fan-fiction...he was beefing with the label off and on during that time, and did most of the sqad tapes on some "do it myself with my homies" sh!t..it's the reason why there are non-mannie beats all on C1 and all the stuff that's been leaked from the C1 sessions ...unless if what you mean by "artist development" is "started working his ass off, grinding and dropping 7 Sqad tapes every couple of months, ripping sh!t to shreds and building up his core post-Hot Boy era fanbase which set him up to blow up"...in reality during that period he was doing what dudes like Gotti, Gucci, and Boosie did years later...use mixtapes to get and stay hot and tour all over the south and midwest to monetize it...me and my nikkas were in flea markets looking to see if a new sqad tape had dropped every time we copped new burned cds...it's the same sh!t that got Tip hot, it's not like Drama just up out the blue decided to do the first prominent artist-centered Gangsta Grillz with these dudes for no reason...just because NYC was late to the party, don't mean we gotta create these fictional ass stories lol...his career wasn't in trouble back then, that's the period that MADE his career...Gillie saving Cash Money is some LAUGHABLE shyt...the myth making is getting out of control at this point...dude was a generic ass dime a dozen also-ran late 90's east coast rapper, penned some verses for Baby and was one of an endless list of people (ranging from Bun B to Jay Z to Juelz to fukking Ace Hood) to have influenced Wayne in some way over the years...but now he's being rewritten as some kind of rap game Obi Wan Kenobi meets Ra's al Ghul that singlehandedly saved the storied Cash Money Records, that's sold MILLIONS of records before him and MILLIONS of records after him, from ruin 
.. it's getting ridiculous now...this nikka supposedly has the rap version of the All-Spark that turns rappers to superstars...yet has only ever only managed to get a soul outta Philly and surrounding areas to give a fukk about him by making funny faces while talking bout other rappers in youtube videos...despite being around for 20 years and tons of forgettable ass material readily available.. instead of dropping classic sh!t like BMJR or hot mixtapes destroying beats like Wayne was to save his OWN CAREER while he was signed to CMR he decides to drop a bunch of generic forgettable verses on the numerous features he got and put out a gang of forgettable Appetizer mixtapes that nobody gave a fukk about?
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Ronnie Lott
#49erGang
I had to order this mixtape from Canada....
I knew it was on when I heard this shyt....
i remember this shyt. The evolution of Lil wayne
Ronnie Lott
#49erGang
the 1st time i hear this Juvenile track. i literally started laughin at the production 
damn
SteelCitySoldier
TSC Fantasy Football Champion 2016
Diss track was wack but listening to what he was saying back then is funny as hell.
Wayne was my dude back when the Hot Boys were together, every single one of his albums were personal classics to me and then 500 Degreez dropped and my first thought was "what the fukk happened, was this lil nikka even writing his own rhymes"? Then Squad Up dropped (this is when people actually started taking notice) and he started getting his shyt together. I don't know about everyone here but I had people asking me "yo did you here that dude from Hot Boys going off on Ether"
I had to tell them nikkaz "you mad late, lil nikka been spittin". Then Drought and Carter 1 dropped and EVERYONE hopped on, I don't know if it was the drugs or laziness but this dude just literally stopped giving a fukk. You will get the occasional flashes of greatness (Drought 2, No Ceilings) but for the most part Wayne jst don't give a fukk anymore. When you look back at the gems dude was dropping back during the Hot Boys era and what he is now...it's a complete 180...total opposite in quality.
Wayne was my dude back when the Hot Boys were together, every single one of his albums were personal classics to me and then 500 Degreez dropped and my first thought was "what the fukk happened, was this lil nikka even writing his own rhymes"? Then Squad Up dropped (this is when people actually started taking notice) and he started getting his shyt together. I don't know about everyone here but I had people asking me "yo did you here that dude from Hot Boys going off on Ether"
I had to tell them nikkaz "you mad late, lil nikka been spittin". Then Drought and Carter 1 dropped and EVERYONE hopped on, I don't know if it was the drugs or laziness but this dude just literally stopped giving a fukk. You will get the occasional flashes of greatness (Drought 2, No Ceilings) but for the most part Wayne jst don't give a fukk anymore. When you look back at the gems dude was dropping back during the Hot Boys era and what he is now...it's a complete 180...total opposite in quality.
YourSavior
Your Savior
This shyt was ill......^^^^^^^^
The buzz wasnt there though as you said....
When i heard the drought though,I was like....shyt had a nikka amped...
That nikka went and took his ass on the road,did mixtapes/features and got himself bubbling again...
Even bring it back didnt really pop,but by that time,his fan base was re-energized...
then go dj dropped and the rest was history...I didnt hear the carter files until recently..It wasnt bad,but the drought had some shyt on there
The Carter 1 might be the most personal album to me..Being a lil wayne stan and just witnessing the evolution of a rapper you supported with summer youth money as a teenager because you really wanted a nikka to win..These ny nikkas up here gave me grief about this nikka..now they fans and im not
THAT RIGHT THERE - Cash Money STAN - When I realized was the only one left then dropped Carter 1 it shut my haters up. Then he kept excelling from there.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
The Sqad tape that had that Ether freestyle came out before 500 Degreez did though
... he's shouting "be on the lookout for 500 Degreez dropping this summer" all over that sh!t ...and far as rap styles go, 500 Degreez is consistent with the tape..like the poster @reup said, the biggest difference there was the production...on the sqad tape he's spitting over a bunch of east coast beats, on 500 Degreez there's a bunch of that real commercialish sounding early 2000s Mannie production (not his best era) and Jazze Pha...but yeah, it's hard to know who actually was listening to this sh!t when itcame out and who is just saying sh!t, cause y'all timelines and sh!t y'all be saying be all out of wack
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SteelCitySoldier
TSC Fantasy Football Champion 2016
The Sqad tape that had that Ether freestyle came out before 500 Degreez did though
I don't remember hearing Squad up until after 500 Degreez dropped so if my timeline is fukked up then oh well. All I know is Squad Up mixtape shyts all over 500 Degreez, no matter what the reason is.
Young/Nacho\Drawz
...come on let's picture the possibility...
Lil Wayne was a wrap up until Jay-Z co-signed him which made everyone take notice. Real talk. Even when the block is hot was out he used to be up in the Plaza in N.O. East dolo. Nobody was mobbing him for autographs or nothing not that. No one cared! After that he may have been grinding and what not but to try and make it seem like he been hot and was never cold is to re-write history. I'll go as far as to say that from 500 degreez to the Jaz co-sign he wasn't a factor at all in the game. It wasn't until the dedication 2 dropped that everyone started to take notice.
The diss is cool but when you turn around and go right back to Cash Money and get raped again, it sort of invalidates the diss. I could never be cool with someone who went at me like that though. The industry rappers be killing me with that "Oh we cool now." bs.
The diss is cool but when you turn around and go right back to Cash Money and get raped again, it sort of invalidates the diss. I could never be cool with someone who went at me like that though. The industry rappers be killing me with that "Oh we cool now." bs.
Baby and slim are just pimpin him out at this point....music be damned....
It's a sad situation to see this nikka in spandex pants rapping....
I just will remember wayne in a positive llight
That Utp shyt flopped...and he was prolly broke
People stay exposing themselves in these kinds of threads. Everyone pretty much knew Juvie wasn't Cash Money anymore on that second run and Wayne pen game was clearly consistent and the growth wasn't some sudden shyt when Gille came. It's a regional thing, if you wasn't from The South you probably didn't hear Wayne until well after C1 and right up to C2.
[quote="Long_Live_The_Kane, post: 6500135, member: 51"]Nobody but you bought 500 Degreez on the east coast, but it still went gold ...wayne "being in artist development mode up until 2003 because his career was in ruins" is some completely made up on the internet sh!t..like straight up fan-fiction...he was beefing with the label off and on during that time, and did most of the sqad tapes on some "do it myself with my homies" sh!t..it's the reason why there are non-mannie beats all on C1 and all the stuff that's been leaked from the C1 sessions ...unless if what you mean by "artist development" is "started working his ass off, grinding and dropping 7 Sqad tapes every couple of months, ripping sh!t to shreds and building up his core post-Hot Boy era fanbase which set him up to blow up"...in reality during that period he was doing what dudes like Gotti, Gucci, and Boosie did years later...use mixtapes to get and stay hot and tour all over the south and midwest to monetize it...me and my nikkas were in flea markets looking to see if a new sqad tape had dropped every time we copped new burned cds...it's the same sh!t that got Tip hot, it's not like Drama just up out the blue decided to do the first prominent artist-centered Gangsta Grillz with these dudes for no reason...just because NYC was late to the party, don't mean we gotta create these fictional ass stories lol...his career wasn't in trouble back then, that's the period that MADE his career...Gillie saving Cash Money is some LAUGHABLE shyt...the myth making is getting out of control at this point...dude was a generic ass dime a dozen also-ran late 90's east coast rapper, penned some verses for Baby and was one of an endless list of people (ranging from Bun B to Jay Z to Juelz to fukking Ace Hood) to have influenced Wayne in some way over the years...but now he's being rewritten as some kind of rap game Obi Wan Kenobi meets Ra's al Ghul that singlehandedly saved the storied Cash Money Records, that's sold MILLIONS of records before him and MILLIONS of records after him, from ruin .. it's getting ridiculous now...this nikka supposedly has the rap version of the All-Spark that turns rappers to superstars...yet has only ever only managed to get a soul outta Philly and surrounding areas to give a fukk about him by making funny faces while talking bout other rappers in youtube videos...despite being around for 20 years and tons of forgettable ass material readily available.. instead of dropping classic sh!t like BMJR or hot mixtapes destroying beats like Wayne was to save his OWN CAREER while he was signed to CMR he decides to drop a bunch of generic forgettable verses on the numerous features he got and put out a gang of forgettable Appetizer mixtapes that nobody gave a fukk about?[/quote]
breh,you can go gold just in the south and midwest alone...You act like he sold 400 degreez type numbers..Are you that naive to the fact that most of his sales were coming from the south and midwest??
nikka was not getting any burn on the east coast....Thats facts...
As far as those squad tapes,yea they got him buzz,but them shyts werent all that..the nikka was still finding himself at that point since he was in transition..
His sales were in decline and 500 degreez barely went gold...These are facts breh....
As far as Gillie goes,its clear your ignoring how the business works or you just dont understand that every nikka who gets signed to a label isnt there to actually drop records...Baby and Slim knew exactly what they were doing when they got the nikka on their team...Even if you want to be in denial about that...
As far as Cash Money not being in trouble during that time.....You gotta be joking....
The only viables they had were Teena Marie,Wayne and the Big Tymers...
Even Baby had to step up and go dolo{and yes I know about B-32
} because they were lacking breadwinners...
Boo and Gotti flopped so it was a wrap 4 any of the newer acts on the label when it came to putting out albums...
Between the Carter 1 which dropped in 2004 and the time Drake got there,how many albums did CMR release that wasnt lil wayne or baby??
Teena Marie and the Mannie Fresh solo are the only ones that comes to mind...
To sit here and say that Cash Money wasnt looking shaky back then its just not truthful
...wayne "being in artist development mode up until 2003 because his career was in ruins" is some completely made up on the internet sh!t..like straight up fan-fiction...he was beefing with the label off and on during that time, and did most of the sqad tapes on some "do it myself with my homies" sh!t..it's the reason why there are non-mannie beats all on C1 and all the stuff that's been leaked from the C1 sessions ...unless if what you mean by "artist development" is "started working his ass off, grinding and dropping 7 Sqad tapes every couple of months, ripping sh!t to shreds and building up his core post-Hot Boy era fanbase which set him up to blow up"...in reality during that period he was doing what dudes like Gotti, Gucci, and Boosie did years later...use mixtapes to get and stay hot and tour all over the south and midwest to monetize it...me and my nikkas were in flea markets looking to see if a new sqad tape had dropped every time we copped new burned cds...it's the same sh!t that got Tip hot, it's not like Drama just up out the blue decided to do the first prominent artist-centered Gangsta Grillz with these dudes for no reason...just because NYC was late to the party, don't mean we gotta create these fictional ass stories lol...his career wasn't in trouble back then, that's the period that MADE his career...Gillie saving Cash Money is some LAUGHABLE shyt...the myth making is getting out of control at this point...dude was a generic ass dime a dozen also-ran late 90's east coast rapper, penned some verses for Baby and was one of an endless list of people (ranging from Bun B to Jay Z to Juelz to fukking Ace Hood) to have influenced Wayne in some way over the years...but now he's being rewritten as some kind of rap game Obi Wan Kenobi meets Ra's al Ghul that singlehandedly saved the storied Cash Money Records, that's sold MILLIONS of records before him and MILLIONS of records after him, from ruin .. it's getting ridiculous now...this nikka supposedly has the rap version of the All-Spark that turns rappers to superstars...yet has only ever only managed to get a soul outta Philly and surrounding areas to give a fukk about him by making funny faces while talking bout other rappers in youtube videos...despite being around for 20 years and tons of forgettable ass material readily available.. instead of dropping classic sh!t like BMJR or hot mixtapes destroying beats like Wayne was to save his OWN CAREER while he was signed to CMR he decides to drop a bunch of generic forgettable verses on the numerous features he got and put out a gang of forgettable Appetizer mixtapes that nobody gave a fukk about?[/quote]breh,you can go gold just in the south and midwest alone...You act like he sold 400 degreez type numbers..Are you that naive to the fact that most of his sales were coming from the south and midwest??
nikka was not getting any burn on the east coast....Thats facts...
As far as those squad tapes,yea they got him buzz,but them shyts werent all that..the nikka was still finding himself at that point since he was in transition..
His sales were in decline and 500 degreez barely went gold...These are facts breh....
As far as Gillie goes,its clear your ignoring how the business works or you just dont understand that every nikka who gets signed to a label isnt there to actually drop records...Baby and Slim knew exactly what they were doing when they got the nikka on their team...Even if you want to be in denial about that...
As far as Cash Money not being in trouble during that time.....You gotta be joking....
The only viables they had were Teena Marie,Wayne and the Big Tymers...
Even Baby had to step up and go dolo{and yes I know about B-32
} because they were lacking breadwinners...Boo and Gotti flopped so it was a wrap 4 any of the newer acts on the label when it came to putting out albums...
Between the Carter 1 which dropped in 2004 and the time Drake got there,how many albums did CMR release that wasnt lil wayne or baby??
Teena Marie and the Mannie Fresh solo are the only ones that comes to mind...
To sit here and say that Cash Money wasnt looking shaky back then its just not truthful
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
If you can consistently go gold for EVERY album you put out over the course of several years off the strength of a primarily regional dedicated fanbase your career isn't in shambles...that's the entire fukking point....if you're going gold strictly off of the south and midwest, who gives a shyt who in New York is buying your album...nikkas in New York didn't even know who was UGK was before Jay put them on Big Pimpin', who gives a sh!t..they were already legends and had great sustainable careers...but just because the east coast was late catching on, don't mean we can comeup with bullsh!t ass
bout generic bum ass nobody ass Gillie Da Kid "saving" Cash Money...when the nikka couldn't even save Major Figgas or put out even one single solitary record of note in his entire career over the course of like 3 or 4 seperate deals with different labels ...that nikka has no kind of magical superstar touch or appeal to speak of, he's a random ass dime a dozen generic post Jay-Z east coast rapper...you say the sqad tapes weren't all that when they're entire reason wayne picked up his post hot boy following in the first place, those were his core fans...you dismiss him having the southern and midwest mixtape scene on fire like his entire come-up wasn't off the strength of mixtapes..."mixtape weezy" is a term for a reason, it really happened and that's where it started...so instead of this imaginary story you've made up where Wayne was locked up in a room somewhere for 2 years getting "how to be a rap superstar lessons from a d-list do nothing generic also-ran named Gillie", consider the fact that he dropped 7 mixtapes that actually making noise and gaining him fans...when Sqad 4 dropped and he destroyed the Jay-Z Best of Me Remix beat that gained his momentum...he was trending upward in the time between 500 Degreez and C1...dude was a natural born rapper, everybody that's ever been around him since he was literally a lil kid attests to it..the mixtape run was the fruition...in a world where Gillie was never born, Wayne still becomes a studio addict, still becomes a Jay-Z stan, still ends up becoming basically an honorary dipset member, and still dominates the mixtape circuit in the mid-2000s (which is when the east coast REALLY finally caught up, not with C1)Yup...there's an extensive list of rappers that sign to a label that never actually drop albums, because they never generate any interest from anybody to warrant one...Cash Money ain't the only deal Gillie done had...this nikka been trying to get on properly for years before and after CMR, but hasn't been able to because ..truth be told...there's not a goddamn thing special about him...this whole refashioning of Gillie into some kind of rap yoda is for no other reason than because of the wayne sh!t...without that, everybody sees him for what he is...a former local act with dreams of blowing, that failed and became a struggle-rapper...it's the reason why when Wacky invariably derails these threads with this stuff, GIllie's music never comes into play...it's not like he was some top secret behind the scenes dude who's genius was hidden from the public...he has tons of material that nobody ever gave a sh!t about...like 5 mixtapes while signed to Cash Money...no fukks were given...when he left cash money the mixtape scene was wide open for him to actually make a mark with his HIS music...no fukks were given...he's still making lil struggle-songs to this day, no fukks are given...only time pretend to pretend to give a fukk bout dude is when he's talking bout wayne or beefing with some other philly rapper...why? because his sh!t is generic and it's why he never amounted to shyt
As far as Cash Money not being in trouble during that time.....You gotta be joking....
The only viables they had were Teena Marie,Wayne and the Big Tymers...
Even Baby had to step up and go dolo{and yes I know about B-32
Boo and Gotti flopped so it was a wrap 4 any of the newer acts on the label when it came to putting out albums...
Between the Carter 1 which dropped in 2004 and the time Drake got there,how many albums did CMR release that wasnt lil wayne or baby??
Teena Marie and the Mannie Fresh solo are the only ones that comes to mind...
To sit here and say that Cash Money wasnt looking shaky back then its just not truthful
You say the "only viables they had" and mention acts that CONSISTENTLY went gold and platinum
... from '02-'04 they released six gold and platinum albums...like you do realize Cash Money is a privately owned label and not some kind of Interscope type corporate umbrella...what are you comparing them to if multiple gold and platinum acts is a bad thing for a self contained label? if Death Row was able to do that when Pac died and Snoop and Dre left, they would have never folded...if No Limit were able to do that in the early 2000s, the company would have never went bankrupt....if G-Unit was able to do that, it would never have been dropped from Interscope...but that's almost beside my actual point...assuming releasing gold and plat albums every year was their death kneel and they needed saving.. you brought up b32, so i know you know that Cash Money been around since fukking 1991...has gone through MULTIPLE roster turnovers and incarnations and has prospered through out it all...now you look at who's been the primary stable constants during all these years of them being a successful label, and then turn around and tell me with a straight face that GILLIE DA fukkING KIDD...who's accomplished marginally over jack sh!t in the industry before or after his brief stint with CMR, whose career highlights primarily consist of youtube videos of him standing in the middle of the street making funny faces into a camera while telling jokes bout others rappers...was the irreplaceable primary variable that SAVED Cash Money 
This is like the rapper-racist version of that movie trope where random solitary white characters get made to be heroes and saviors of random other races of people (like Dances With Wolves or the The Last Samurai)...except instead of a white man, it's some random generic ass east coast rapper getting praised for "saving" the historic southern rap label
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