LandryFieldsDad
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Joe Budden - Whatever It Takes (Clinton Sparks Re…:unfortunately. aside from that one song, i cant recall any track of his that is universally praised.
Where does Joe Budden rank all time for you?
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And his stans love to tout his lyrical ability but of the 50 or so MC's I just posted, there's alot that would crush Budden lyrically. Peruse the list...ya'll know which n!ggas I'm talking about.
HacksawJimThuggin
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that's the thing though, there's no such thing as objectivity when it comes to art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What I see as some blots of paint on a canvas, someone else spends $5 million on. There's no right/wrong, just preference.
If I asked you what the 5 best Deniro flicks were to you, would you give me the 5 YOU thought were best, or would you just go on IMDB and list the 5 with the best critic ratings?
And I also disagree as far as Budden's impact. He essentially laid the blueprint for the modern rapper. Prior to MM2, no one was really putting out mixtapes that sounded like albums; original beats, storytelling, concepts, etc. Up until that point, G Unit and Clue were basically putting out tapes with random freestyles. Budden, as a result of being blackballed, used mixtapes to get his music out, even if it was for free. Every artist soon followed suit.
Also, Budden was really the first rapper to utilize the internet properly for marketing purposes. I remember it being a running joke, like oh, Budden only has fans "on the internet". Well damn near every rapper since has used the internet to build a buzz.
And again, classic songs/albums is subjective. Unless there's some hip hop governing body that I'm unaware of that gives out those kind of distinctions. Tracks like All Of Me, Black Cloud, Pray For Me, etc. are classic to me in the sense that I still listen to them regularly.
That's not a classic. Just because it may be a dope song or a personal classic to you doesn't make it a classic.
Hmmm not high. I mean he's nice but there are a lot of nice dudes. Probably top 50? Maybe bottom 100? To me, once you're not in my top 25 then you're interchangeable and he's interchangeable. He's dope but just being dope doesn't put you in a upper echelon. At the end of his career, Joey will be more remembered for the fukkery in his life than the music
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West Coast Avenger
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my nikka @Billy Ocean killing this thread......
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LandryFieldsDad
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I don't recall calling it classic
The poster said he only has one song that is praised
I concede that music is ultimately subjective.
But whether something is "classic" has nothing to do with a subjective opinion. I might hate It Takes a Nation of Millions (I don't) but that doesn't mean it isn't a classic hip hop records. Whether or not an album or song is classic is determined by general consensus. Of course there is no hip hop governing body and this whole argument is a slippery slope of course, but certain albums are undisputed classics. The Message (Flash and the Five) is an undisputed classic hip hop song.
BCC predated Budden in terms of online presence.
The things about mixtapes as albums is interesting. I have no idea if he was the first so I'll take your word for it. Neither really have had much impact on the music itself though.
Which one of the dudes that I listed in post #58 he deserved to be placed over? And why.
LandryFieldsDad
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Again Wayne.
Simply because he a better rapper
That a whole generation loves him and treats him as Goat in arguably the worst era of rap we've ever seen when there was no other credible competition is not that impressive
HacksawJimThuggin
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I definitely get what you're saying, I just don't agree that that's how we should rank artists. Most consider KRS a top 10 rapper ever. I happen to think he stinks. Am I obligated to put him in my top 10 because that's what the general consensus tells me to do, even though I feel differently?
As far as the mixtape vs. album thing, I actually think mixtapes allow for a much better product; or at least one closer to the artist's intentions, as they're not faced with the label applying pressure as far as making more accessible or commercial music to cater to a greater audience. They also don't have input as far as features, so someone like Wale isn't forced to put a bunch of R&B artists on his mixtape like he does his albums. Also, labels are hesitant to pay for sample clearances these days, so mixtapes allow for better production IMO.
before the Slaughterhouse album, dude was legit in my top five DOA. Actually, in my top 3.
Work Rate/Music output was excellent (first album+countless mixtape songs+ mood music series+ordinary love shyt)
Bars on top of bars on top of bars (but who would get outbarred by folks like Jay, Nas, Lupe, etc. but they don't have his work output and consistency)
incredibly consistent (only MC I can think of with more songs on such a high level is Styles P, who releases subpar ALBUM tracks despite his blistering level of mixtapes)
Incredibly diverse (does "backpack" sounding shyt, battle shyt, club shyt, flossy shyt, introspective shyt, storytelling shyt. other MCs do, as well. but not as consistent, often or on the same level)
Great pound for pound "battle" record (game, all of G-Unit, Hov, Prodigy, Ran, lost to Saigon) Only rappers with better battle/diss records are Pac (self explanatory),. Hov (subliminal disses plus "Takeover"), Nas (subliminal disses+all of StillMatic), Cam (Who doesn't give a shyt who you are) but their wins and losses were higher profile.
Only things, IMHO, that he was outclassed in were popularity (always called an "internet rapper") sales, "superman" status (Joey can be lame as fukk, which can be off putting to the grown kids who want all their rappers to be boring invincible villains) and influence.... all of which I care nothing about, but I understand why others do.
Unfortunately, I rate MCs by how they CURRENTLY rate to other MCs (you're not going to catch Kane and Rakim in my top 5 unless they drop a song TODAY with verses more entertaining that the last entertaining song by folks in my current).
So honestly, I don't know.
Nas is the GOAT right now.
Running like a cheetah right now, unfolding scrolls and all, you repetitive motherfukker.
Work Rate/Music output was excellent (first album+countless mixtape songs+ mood music series+ordinary love shyt)
Bars on top of bars on top of bars (but who would get outbarred by folks like Jay, Nas, Lupe, etc. but they don't have his work output and consistency)
incredibly consistent (only MC I can think of with more songs on such a high level is Styles P, who releases subpar ALBUM tracks despite his blistering level of mixtapes)
Incredibly diverse (does "backpack" sounding shyt, battle shyt, club shyt, flossy shyt, introspective shyt, storytelling shyt. other MCs do, as well. but not as consistent, often or on the same level)
Great pound for pound "battle" record (game, all of G-Unit, Hov, Prodigy, Ran, lost to Saigon) Only rappers with better battle/diss records are Pac (self explanatory),. Hov (subliminal disses plus "Takeover"), Nas (subliminal disses+all of StillMatic), Cam (Who doesn't give a shyt who you are) but their wins and losses were higher profile.
Only things, IMHO, that he was outclassed in were popularity (always called an "internet rapper") sales, "superman" status (Joey can be lame as fukk, which can be off putting to the grown kids who want all their rappers to be boring invincible villains) and influence.... all of which I care nothing about, but I understand why others do.
Unfortunately, I rate MCs by how they CURRENTLY rate to other MCs (you're not going to catch Kane and Rakim in my top 5 unless they drop a song TODAY with verses more entertaining that the last entertaining song by folks in my current).
So honestly, I don't know.
Nas is the GOAT right now.
Running like a cheetah right now, unfolding scrolls and all, you repetitive motherfukker.
We're up to at least 60 rappers now.
I'll add Sadat X and Lord Jamar just to keep that Brand Nubian cipher complete.
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