Where White Man Went Wrong :banderas:

[itsyoung!!]

its also difficult to rebuild what once was, not only because of the death and destruction to our families and structures (my mothers side is native american), but if you tried to restart this way of living again today, regulation and government codes can (and will try to) shut you down. they need to have their hands in everything you do, and to get a piece of it. thats how it works. you cant even cut your own wood for fire and building purposes without the threat of facing legal problems ...


they say that "the last american man" has been living in a home full of state and health violations. all of that, yet he's been there for 30 yrs. go figure.

theyll even try to shut down a fellow white man because hes not living in a taxed, and regulated state

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...olina-government-adhering-building-codes.html

go live in the woods and find that the government doesnt like it, brehs

if you want to talk about reservations, I guess we'll leave out how theyre empty, worthless, and tend to have something wrong with them in the first place ...


it would also not be easy to recreate the old system out of the new system (that has been put in via genocide, forced taxation and racism) because of the plague its put upon everyones thinking. basically, youre not going to have the same foundational strength that was found in these communities because numbers are low and everybody is forced to live without a proper place to develop. these reservation are not ideal for hunting and gathering. theyre shyt. thus, to live people must live off the government scraps. it kills of the strengths that tribes once had, and it reduces them to being worthless in their own space, only able to livie off what the white man gives out. hmmmm....


nobody today really has the experience that the tribesmen had of their time, which of course stifles everything. the heads have already been cut off, and everyone knows that. everybody is living like theyre prisoners of war, but its not seen that way. the amount of people working together was one of the primary strengths of a tribe, but working together doesnt even happen today since we're all taught to chase money for ourselves and to never build towards a community thats truly independant. so you cant do what you used to do with this new system in place, encouraging everyone that its every man for himself. but when you look at the white man, hes all about legacies, and passing down assets and looking out for his fellow whitey in giving out jobs. hell, welfare was created for whites. sure he gives a lot of advice for someone who has never gotten eradicated and stripped of generations worth of assets, so he must know what hes talking about. the only time that youre only encouraged to work in the underclass is if its for a big company (owned by whites), and never for your own. if everyone woke up and worked towards a community in this new world, obviously things could change.

also one of the important things that tribes did was move about and find new plots of land to live in, depending on the weather, livestock and/or hunting availabilities. thats not very possible in todays world. a lot of urban sprawl has interfered with that style of living. plenty of animals are not even really found in the wild anymore. especially if it produces cash for whites (ie cows and chickens). everything created in this new world interferes with the old ways. its not an accident that anything profitable is taken away from those who could live off it without paying them.

in fact, you need a hunting license to hunt animals. dont let the forest rangers find you killing a dear with your bow, or youll be treated like a felon. you need to pass their building inspections if you want to live outdoors. then expect to have to pay for the privalege of where you are, because theres a high chance that youll still need space/real estate to create a home, yet all of those things are normally taxed and regulated by the government anyways. its not going to be easy to just go back to what it was. anyone who says so isnt paying attention. taxes and regulations are there for a reason. the law is not on your side if you want to make a change.

if anyone thinks that everybody can just go out and start building a new tribe full of hunters and gatherers with no problems from the government, then youre in for a rude surprise. to say nothing of the fact that our hunters and gatherers were killed off generations back, and that the landscape isnt even suitable for all of that anymore.

I dont know what them
2 other dumb mafukkas was even tryna get at

 

[Mr. Pink]

Ignore the fact that this is obviously about how much better Native Americans were off before the white man came in and committed an even worse genocide than the Holocaust. But yeah, let's ignore that and say "well why don't y'all go to a place in the world and live like that?" which is really akin to "well, if you hate the white man so much why not go back to Africa?"

Again, where did I deny that? This thread wasn't about that. The OP didn't touch that subject, and no one else did either at the time of my first reply.
My reply was aimed at everyone who thought NA hunter/gatherer society was so great and modern society so shytty. Well you can still live NA style if you really want to. That's all I said.

Spare me with your race baiting.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Mr. Pink]

its also difficult to rebuild what once was, not only because of the death and destruction to our families and structures (my mothers side is native american), but if you tried to restart this way of living again today, regulation and government codes can (and will try to) shut you down. they need to have their hands in everything you do, and to get a piece of it. thats how it works. you cant even cut your own wood for fire and building purposes without the threat of facing legal problems ...


they say that "the last american man" has been living in a home full of state and health violations. all of that, yet he's been there for 30 yrs. go figure.

theyll even try to shut down a fellow white man because hes not living in a taxed, and regulated state

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...olina-government-adhering-building-codes.html

go live in the woods and find that the government doesnt like it, brehs

if you want to talk about reservations, I guess we'll leave out how theyre empty, worthless, and tend to have something wrong with them in the first place ...


it would also not be easy to recreate the old system out of the new system (that has been put in via genocide, forced taxation and racism) because of the plague its put upon everyones thinking. basically, youre not going to have the same foundational strength that was found in these communities because numbers are low and everybody is forced to live without a proper place to develop. these reservation are not ideal for hunting and gathering. theyre shyt. thus, to live people must live off the government scraps. it kills of the strengths that tribes once had, and it reduces them to being worthless in their own space, only able to livie off what the white man gives out. hmmmm....


nobody today really has the experience that the tribesmen had of their time, which of course stifles everything. the heads have already been cut off, and everyone knows that. everybody is living like theyre prisoners of war, but its not seen that way. the amount of people working together was one of the primary strengths of a tribe, but working together doesnt even happen today since we're all taught to chase money for ourselves and to never build towards a community thats truly independant. so you cant do what you used to do with this new system in place, encouraging everyone that its every man for himself. but when you look at the white man, hes all about legacies, and passing down assets and looking out for his fellow whitey in giving out jobs. hell, welfare was created for whites. sure he gives a lot of advice for someone who has never gotten eradicated and stripped of generations worth of assets, so he must know what hes talking about. the only time that youre only encouraged to work in the underclass is if its for a big company (owned by whites), and never for your own. if everyone woke up and worked towards a community in this new world, obviously things could change.

also one of the important things that tribes did was move about and find new plots of land to live in, depending on the weather, livestock and/or hunting availabilities. thats not very possible in todays world. a lot of urban sprawl has interfered with that style of living. plenty of animals are not even really found in the wild anymore. especially if it produces cash for whites (ie cows and chickens). everything created in this new world interferes with the old ways. its not an accident that anything profitable is taken away from those who could live off it without paying them.

in fact, you need a hunting license to hunt animals. dont let the forest rangers find you killing a dear with your bow, or youll be treated like a felon. you need to pass their building inspections if you want to live outdoors. then expect to have to pay for the privalege of where you are, because theres a high chance that youll still need space/real estate to create a home, yet all of those things are normally taxed and regulated by the government anyways. its not going to be easy to just go back to what it was. anyone who says so isnt paying attention. taxes and regulations are there for a reason. the law is not on your side if you want to make a change.

if anyone thinks that everybody can just go out and start building a new tribe full of hunters and gatherers with no problems from the government, then youre in for a rude surprise. to say nothing of the fact that our hunters and gatherers were killed off generations back, and that the landscape isnt even suitable for all of that anymore.

Everything you said was true, but let me raise a few issues:
- would you want to live this way if it were possible?
- would other people? if cac society is so shytty why does everyone flock to cac countries?
- there are remote places where one can still live like that

I dont know what them
2 other dumb mafukkas was even tryna get at

You stupid motherfukker, can't you form your own sentences? All you've been doing is dodging when people adress you and cosign smarter posters than you when they reply.
Admit it: all your OP was was thinly veiled cac hate(which is always popular on the Coli). Now you're pretending like this thread is something else. Who the fukk are you kidding?

 

[KingDanz]

 

[Jone2three45]

This could have been a good thread too.

 

[DrX]

I didn't say any of that. The (probably false) quote in the original post is equating a patriarchal hunter/gather society with paradise and it is complete bullshyt. It wasn't a good life. People lived short, terrible lives. Reminiscing about how good things were before modernity happened is wrong, lazy and stupid 99.99999% of the time.

oh please....with all the bullshyt yall put in our food and water....itll go down anyway....plus most ppl cant even afford to get medicine

 

[DrX]

cac......

 

[$lim]

Retarded. Ask that chief what the life expectancy of his tribe was. Ask him about the infant mortality rate.

Native Americans didn't view death the way we do now. Whether you died young or old, to them, death was not the worst thing that can happen to you. Not just for people, same goes for that animal that was killed to feed the tribe. You can take from nature and nature will take from you. Things like dishonor and losing land/ culture were alot worse to them than death.

 

[Methodical]

 

[Cat piss martini]

 

[CrossBones]

Everything you said was true, but let me raise a few issues:
- would you want to live this way if it were possible?
- would other people? if cac society is so shytty why does everyone flock to cac countries?
- there are remote places where one can still live like that

would you want to live this way if it were possible?

its not a fear of mine to live this way. itd be ideal if we still had tribes, community, nature, freedom, and our culture still in place for us. overall, judging by the past and todays world, I would say that life was not all bad but it had it s own good . it could be possible again today, but the laws, the people, and the enviroment would have to go back to what it was back then as well. you cant just ignore the changes that happened with the passage of time. this environment that we're all left with, it doesnt run on man working with nature, as much as it runs on nature being sold to you. this world is now about gaining resources by working under them in order to buy it. theyve hustled their way in by killing and setting up new laws of the land. this is how they got fat. so just picking up and going out is not going to exclude us from their established laws, their system, their control of the resources, our loss of knowledge, nor the current state of affairs in relation to the landscape.

without the foundations of a strong community, I have doubts that we would reach the heights and strength that the original tribes achieved. the format of the new system and the format of the old system dont mesh well together. this is one of the reasons why the white settlers of the old days killed off everyone that they could. they had to establish their monetary ways in order to profit from it, because you cant capitalize on anybody (for your kingdom) unless theyre playing by your rules. and obviously not everybody did, or at least not to the extent that the colonizers wanted. there were some peaceful tribes back then that welcomed and openly traded with explorers, but many of them only accepted trades based on the value that they could find in the items being traded. their bartering system was not for everyone to just come in and buy whatever they wanted from them. it was about if both sides felt it was a fair exchange

a lot of tribes did not subscribe to the promise of any value being found in money. so for the colonizers, eliminating the barter system was best for them and their overseas king. it was a threat to what most explorers could offer (paper), so the explorers had to seize control by cutting off those who wouldnt deal with them. in order to have the control that they wanted in this country (everything from everyone), they had to eliminate the established systems and take everything they could. and in turn, they killed anyone they couldnt control with money or profit from. so I have to wonder, how feasible is it to live in the old ways today, when the old ways were pretty much ostrisized and destroyed by todays system. on top of that, a lot of land out there today can be bought, and thus youre out of luck if you think about living there and someone else has the deed. you see, you still need to operate in their system today no matter what. the two ways didnt work together then, and they still dont today.




would other people? if cac society is so shytty why does everyone flock to cac countries?

most of those people come from lands which are exploited and destroyed by businessmen. remember cash is king, so in order to be the king, you must have most of the cash. money is now spread to everywhere and its used by them in leui of resources. so in order to get the resources, they promise money to the people who are "poor." thus, people in other countries get robbed of their resources, due to corruption and or force, and then sent to work for pennies on the dollar, if that. its the american way. lets not pretend like these countries that people are leaving dont have sweatshops and terrible working conditions. theyre being used by master exploiters. its how they set up a successful business, they get others to work their ass off for little to nothing. look at slavery, look at the illegal mexicans being brought over, look at the indian children being sold into labor, look at china nike sweatshops, etc. as soon as theres a resource to exploit, they will get exploited.

whereas if you go over to the european countries, theyre slightly less exploited in their own land, as well as the fact that they are benefitting off the backs of others hard work. in these places, they also give you the chance to be a manager or executive if youre willing to be a part of it all and take advantage of the system. so all of these people leaving their exploited land, theyre going to where the land of milk and honey is, since their own milk and honey got robbed and taken from them in order to ship it out where its profitable to the owners.

as for if other people would want to live in the old ways, there are many who reject the current system. but the business is worldwide now, so in my opinion the smartest thing to do at this time is to adapt and become something new. learn to be in tuned in to your community and to learn how to work smart in order to get to the right place for you and your family. think about growth inside of what was thrust upon you.


it would be hard to introduce a completely different way of life for everybody after we've been forced into our current way of living. telling us to go and leave everything is a dismissive way look at everything that has happened. after the murdering, colonization and the reprogramming of the culture and ways, changing up completely is something that NOW seems foreign to many. a better question is, why dont whites just leave and go back to europe? this wasnt their land. this was stolen. and if they like it over there and revere their european ways while snubbing other people of color, they can just go back to where its white everywhere. stay out of other peoples country. stop exploiting them for what they have. problem solved. they can have their system in their own place and leave the rest of the world right? leave america to the native americans, the blacks, and the mexicans. let us figure it out. I mean, you can just up and leave everything, cant you



there are remote places where one can still live like that

there are remote places, but again, and lets not kid ourselves, its still not safe from being taken if the corporations wanted it. look at african and brazilian tribes while we're at it. you can even look at saigon and the exploitation of their little girls and women. whenever they can exploit something, whites will go there and take what they want. depending on how important it is, theyll bring the military, money, and the law with them.

hell, even white american men who live in the wilderness out here are being considered criminals living in violation. living in a tribe has become an endangered practice for a reason, and its not because vicious animals are tearing them apart. its because greedy men dont want them around. tribes all over the world are being pushed away if they live in a mineral rich area. lets look at the stats, from the past to today, and see that if they want something from an indigenous people, they will have it by hook or by crook. if they have to pay for it, take it, or kill for it, they will do this.

 

[WaveGang]

Well congrats to the native Amerikkan...

BUT fukk ALL THAT

In Alkebulan (Afrika) our Ancestors lived in a FAR ADVANCED society, continent wide! A civilization where there was no word for prison, because there was no crime. Architecture so great they had to knock it down, Literature so good they had to burn down the libraries.

LEARN YOUR OWN GREATNESS

 

[filial_piety]

honestly...I think that interview just changed my life lol.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Whats funny is thanksgiving celebrates the natives generosity saving an entire colony from starving a harsh winter by showin them how to cultivate a once foriegn land.

But lets act like our technology was so superior to their way of living.

Ask the planet who it would prefer to have as occupants