Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Yeah that’s just Julius at this point. They don’t take it personal they no he is hostile and grumpy but he does his shares most games.
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He's talking about spoTop 15 all time and no rings and one trip to the conference finals.
WhY?
Why do you always got to go to extremes?
Ironman
#Knickstape
Spo brothaTop 15 all time and no rings and one trip to the conference finals.
WhY?
Why do you always got to go to extremes?
Knicksman20
Superstar
Truthfully, I think they have a problem with him (and Thibs) but are just being professional about it. Everyone gets held accountable by Thibs but Randle. He makes all kinds of silly mistakes, has terrible games, doesn't hold himself accountable, publicly blows up at teammates trying to save him from himself & as D-Rose said before the season started below which we all knew was directed 100% towards him lol:
storyteller
Veteran
Yeah, I don't think locker room chemistry could get much better. Moving Randle would be more about the impact on the floor, which could backfire. But it could also propel a bunch of players who'd likely get more touches, space, and a faster pace to operate in. One of Randle or Barrett probably has to move to make the pieces fit together best, and I prefer moving Julius.
Part of me thinks RJ could possibly be a core piece to a star trade. I'm not sure Julius could (just based on age and what GMs can sell to their fanbases). If it's dump Randle for barely anything or move RJ for someone elite, I'm taking the homerun swing and hoping third time's a charm for Randle.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
What you talking about?Top 15 all time and no rings and one trip to the conference finals.
WhY?
Why do you always got to go to extremes?
Spoelstra is in the NBA’s official top 15 coaches of All-Time.
I’m not talking about Thibs. Thibs is a great coach he gets the most out his teams he’s never had anywhere near a championship roster.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Yea. Already got the wheels spinning. Curious what you think of my Kat and Middleton idea?
Brunson/McBride
Grimes/Divencenzo (i think we have a 12 million exception he can fit into)
Middleton/Hart
Randle/Melo (just cause)
Kat/Hartenstein
We’d have the spacing we've always wanted but the defense takes a serious blow cause I’m not sure how much Middleton has left in the tank. He has 1 year left on his deal and is a solid shooter. (He had one of his worst shooting year from three this season but I’m blaming that on coming back from injury). I’m just scared Brunson will have to do it all himself again come post season cause KAT is just as big a mental head case as Julius. But both Brunson and Julius would have the paint all to themselves so maybe that helps Ju significantly.
storyteller
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It's definitely intriguing, but I think the risks on all three is too much. Randle/KAT both have the mental risks, Middleton's health is worrisome. Divencenzo would be a nice addition too!
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
I’m telling ya’ll the right move is Poole and Kuminga. They fill a need, they are young so they can be added to the teams internal development timeline, the team has vets to keep them in line and can give them minutes going forward. Also they shouldn’t cost more than the assets the FO has been trying to trade since last Summer. Yeah Poole is a head case, and Kuminga is grouchy but so is Randle and the FO /Thibs/Brunson are one of the few infrastructures in the league that can handle them.
Plus the salary number works regardless if they use the team option on Rose or not. They can even bring in Detroit to mix and match assets and the numbers still work. Let's say they don't use the option on Rose but do bring in Detroit with the promise of giving them full rights to their own pick (and the Bucks protected pick), along with Fournier who could maybe do what Bogdanovic does to a lesser degree.
Knicks Trade: Fournier, Toppin, Roby, Piston, Wizards, Mavs, Bucks pick (all protected)
Knicks Get: Poole, Kuminiga, some seconds (because Aller is gonna get some seconds)
Pistons Trade: Bogdanovic, a second round pick
pistons Get: Fournier, Toppin, Detroit Pick (full control), Bucks Pick
Warriors Trade: Poole, Kuminga, a second round pick
Warriors Get: Bogdanovic, Roby, Mavs pick, Wizards pick,
The math works great between these teams and there is potential for a win/win with options. Toppin can be sent to either the Warriors or Pistons, A guard like RJ Hampton from the Pistons could be sent to the Warriors if needed, or the Pistons don’t even need to be added to the deal if the Warriors don’t want Bog or Detroit doesn’t want their pick back. The math works regardless, The Knicks can send the Warriors three guys who will expire next year and save them $10 Mil in cap and even more protected picks.
All it cost the Knicks is the same package they wanted to trade for Beasley and Vanderbilt. On the low the Knicks might be the best trading partner for the warriors because we can give them whatever they want, and they won’t ask for much.
Plus the salary number works regardless if they use the team option on Rose or not. They can even bring in Detroit to mix and match assets and the numbers still work. Let's say they don't use the option on Rose but do bring in Detroit with the promise of giving them full rights to their own pick (and the Bucks protected pick), along with Fournier who could maybe do what Bogdanovic does to a lesser degree.
Knicks Trade: Fournier, Toppin, Roby, Piston, Wizards, Mavs, Bucks pick (all protected)
Knicks Get: Poole, Kuminiga, some seconds (because Aller is gonna get some seconds)
Pistons Trade: Bogdanovic, a second round pick
pistons Get: Fournier, Toppin, Detroit Pick (full control), Bucks Pick
Warriors Trade: Poole, Kuminga, a second round pick
Warriors Get: Bogdanovic, Roby, Mavs pick, Wizards pick,
The math works great between these teams and there is potential for a win/win with options. Toppin can be sent to either the Warriors or Pistons, A guard like RJ Hampton from the Pistons could be sent to the Warriors if needed, or the Pistons don’t even need to be added to the deal if the Warriors don’t want Bog or Detroit doesn’t want their pick back. The math works regardless, The Knicks can send the Warriors three guys who will expire next year and save them $10 Mil in cap and even more protected picks.
All it cost the Knicks is the same package they wanted to trade for Beasley and Vanderbilt. On the low the Knicks might be the best trading partner for the warriors because we can give them whatever they want, and they won’t ask for much.
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Knicksman20
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This sounds good, but as long as Thibs is coach & Randle's still here, whomever plays behind him, won't be getting big minutes & that'll more than likely cause problems. I'm sure a vet or any proven player will have a problem with only playing 10-12 mins a night
I didn't say the team had poor morale or cohesion....I said it would improve with Julius off the team. They accepted that Julius is a moody grouch. They know that the head coach doesn't hold him accountable. His body language is shytty when they make mistakes. How hard do you honestly think they play for this guy? There are leaders guys will run thru a brick wall for. Teams with leaders like that over achieve (See: Miami Heat). Julius aint that.
Julius might be a cool guy off court, sure. His on court BS won't get us anywhere. Aint nobody gonna support that from the leader.
We on the same page. We both want him gone. Im not saying I'm right and you wrong. I don't see a well liked guy out there. You disagree and it's ok
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One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Here is the thing. Randle should play less minutes in general in the regular season to try and ensure he is healthy come the playoffs. We need him healthy next year. Also Kuminga can play SF and even played small ball center for the Warriors. He fits behind Randle because he provides 3 pt shooting and defense, and unlike the warriors he doesn’t have Draymond and Wiggins in front of him that do the same thing.
Poole is a BIG risk and if we didn’t have Brunson, IQ, and Grimes I wouldn’t say do it, but we do have a group of guards that can cover for his flaws while he covers for theirs. He’s a microwave scorer and the Knicks can use him as such and sit him when he’s cold. You can’t play zone defense with Poole out there he ate them shyts all season. He’s a shooter and will shoot from 5 feet behind the 3 pt line if he is open. They put him next to IQ whose that to a lesser degree and it’s scary.
firemanBk
The Manslayer
I would quit watching the Knicks if they traded for Jordan Poole straight up
That's an Isiah Thomas move
Dude had one hot season and immediately came back to earth the next year to the point he was legitimately unplayable.
His teammates there also cannot stand him. Like they openly show looks of disgust towards this guy on the court and on the bench I have no clue why you want that guy around a winner like Brunson
That's an Isiah Thomas move
Dude had one hot season and immediately came back to earth the next year to the point he was legitimately unplayable.
His teammates there also cannot stand him. Like they openly show looks of disgust towards this guy on the court and on the bench I have no clue why you want that guy around a winner like Brunson
Knicksman20
Superstar
If this was any other coach, I'd agree. Randle playing less minutes goes completely against his philosophy & what he's shown us not only here but throughout his head coaching career. I would literally be shocked if he played the starters (particular Randle) any less than he has. He doesn't believe in load management bro; especially if he's coaching for his job
