"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

I would quit watching the Knicks if they traded for Jordan Poole straight up
That's an Isiah Thomas move
Dude had one hot season and immediately came back to earth the next year to the point he was legitimately unplayable.
His teammates there also cannot stand him. Like they openly show looks of disgust towards this guy on the court and on the bench I have no clue why you want that guy around a winner like Brunson

20 pt a season is coming back to earth? His efficiency isn’t far off from Randle or RJ’s either.

I’m not saying the kid isn’t flawed, but we shouldn’t give a fukk what the warriors think about the kid. The warriors fukked that kid over by not trading him after the Draymond punch and now feel a sort of way because they had unrealistic expectations for him to carry the load. He takes bad shots, but Draymond said it himself “nobody was saying shyt about bad shots because Draymond fukked that relationship up”.

Klay had a shyt game 6 too but everybody hates Poole cause he’s not the warriors core. Meanwhile that kid got buckets and the Knicks need buckets. Everybody likes Curry too so his feelings are infectious, but once again the Knicks aren’t the Warriors so fukk what they think.

 

[Wargames]

If this was any other coach, I'd agree. Randle playing less minutes goes completely against his philosophy & what he's shown us not only here but throughout his head coaching career. I would literally be shocked if he played the starters (particular Randle) any less than he has. He doesn't believe in load management bro; especially if he's coaching for his job

Thibs played Randle less Than before. I think he would have done more but Toppin doesn’t fit the offense. Kuminga fits it better and I am not saying they play Randle 15 minutes a night, but Kuminga could get 15 minutes from Randle and maybe 5 from RJ and that is solid for him.

 

[RickyGQ]

I’m telling ya’ll the right move is Poole and Kuminga. They fill a need, they are young so they can be added to the teams internal development timeline, the team has vets to keep them in line and can give them minutes going forward. Also they shouldn’t cost more than the assets the FO has been trying to trade since last Summer. Yeah Poole is a head case, and Kuminga is grouchy but so is Randle and the FO /Thibs/Brunson are one of the few infrastructures in the league that can handle them.

Plus the salary number works regardless if they use the team option on Rose or not. They can even bring in Detroit to mix and match assets and the numbers still work. Let's say they don't use the option on Rose but do bring in Detroit with the promise of giving them full rights to their own pick (and the Bucks protected pick), along with Fournier who could maybe do what Bogdanovic does to a lesser degree.

Knicks Trade: Fournier, Toppin, Roby, Piston, Wizards, Mavs, Bucks pick (all protected)
Knicks Get: Poole, Kuminiga, some seconds (because Aller is gonna get some seconds)

Pistons Trade: Bogdanovic, a second round pick
pistons Get: Fournier, Toppin, Detroit Pick (full control), Bucks Pick

Warriors Trade: Poole, Kuminga, a second round pick
Warriors Get: Bogdanovic, Roby, Mavs pick, Wizards pick,

The math works great between these teams and there is potential for a win/win with options. Toppin can be sent to either the Warriors or Pistons, A guard like RJ Hampton from the Pistons could be sent to the Warriors if needed, or the Pistons don’t even need to be added to the deal if the Warriors don’t want Bog or Detroit doesn’t want their pick back. The math works regardless, The Knicks can send the Warriors three guys who will expire next year and save them $10 Mil in cap and even more protected picks.

All it cost the Knicks is the same package they wanted to trade for Beasley and Vanderbilt. On the low the Knicks might be the best trading partner for the warriors because we can give them whatever they want, and they won’t ask for much.

I’m not a fan of Poole. And no way he doesn’t think he’s a starter on the Knicks.

 

[Wargames]

I’m not a fan of Poole. And no way he doesn’t think he’s a starter on the Knicks.

He’s not going to start. The Knicks starters are set.

Brunson
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Anyway, Knicks culture isnt based on that. What does Thibs always say “it doesn’t matter who starts it matters who finishes”.

 

[DPresidential]

I based on the fact that I never really see Randle initiate a high five or celebration with another teammate. Nor do they go out of there way to do it to him or help him off the floor. Yeah they do it, but they jog over, help him up, he might get a pat on the shoulder...then they out. I've seen Hartenstein try to show Julius love only to get spurned so Ju can boo-hoo to the ref some more. We all saw the IQ altercation. I also rarely see interactions between Ju and Brunson.
If I'm wrong I hope they don't let teammates liking him influence them to not do what must be done....

I don't agree with this..
I remember many situstions where they went out of their say to speak on Randle as a mentor and teammate.

I really think Julius' issue is he is his own worst friend. I suffer from that. If my production or performance is subpar in my eyes, I internally go hard on myself.

I also remember seeing Julius bonding with teammates in game.

 

[RickyGQ]

He’s not going to start. The Knicks starters are set.

Brunson
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Anyway, Knicks culture isnt based on that. What does Thibs always say “it doesn’t matter who starts it matters who finishes”.

Right. And Poole is an nba champion who has a high regard of himself. He’d be a chemistry disaster. He’d think he’s the best player on the team.

 

[Wargames]

Right. And Poole is an nba champion who has a high regard of himself. He’d be a chemistry disaster. He’d think he’s the best player on the team.

I think you’re assuming on this. He’s an NBA Champion coming off the bench.

 

[RickyGQ]

I think you’re assuming on this. He’s an NBA Champion coming off the bench.

Behind future hall of famers. Not Quentin Grimes.

 

[Wargames]

Behind future hall of famers. Not Quentin Grimes.

This is once again where the Warriors fans and media got everyone looking at Poole funny for no reason because it’s easier to do that than admit they all fukked up multiple times regarding his role, his contract, and him staying after the punch.

Poole got punched in the face and played through the whole season but brehs think he is the bad guy. Think about that, imagine you get punched in the face, knocked out, the shyt goes viral and you go to work with the dude who snuck one on you, and you don’t say a bad word about him once?

Even now as the whole org throws him under the bus, from the Kerr to Draymond. Brehs talk about how he cost them the game cause he went 3-10 while Klay went 3-19. Poole never says shyt but “he is a child of god”:and regarding Draymond “That he kept it business and about basketball”. Bro is getting dogged out in the media and by a ungrateful chick and hasn’t said a word against any of them.

He’s approached every problem like a professional, but you think he has a large ego and wouldn’t play off the bench. The way he moves doesn’t match his image.


Anyhow we can go back on forth on this but I still think Poole and Kuminga makes sense to shore up the bench based on their play not their reputation. They have the guards on the roster to put him in a bench scorer role, a coach who can maybe improve his defense, and vets who he shouldn’t have beef with because none of them attacked him. His GAME is a big risk, but the Knicks have the personnel to limit him to his strengths and maybe develop his defense so he isn’t a liability. Not a lot of teams can do that. The Knicks should have faith in their team to get him and Kuminga right.

 

[K-Deini]

I cant pay a 6th man 35 million dollars in Poole. Cap needs to be better allocated

 

[Wargames]

I cant pay a 6th man 35 million dollars in Poole. Cap needs to be better allocated

Same money going to Fournier and Rose on the bench to not play.

Anyhow, it’s a hypothetical, but it fits this team identity of “misfit players that put in work” more than them gutting the team for out of their prime stars.

 

[RickyGQ]

This is once again where the Warriors fans and media got everyone looking at Poole funny for no reason because it’s easier to do that than admit they all fukked up multiple times regarding his role, his contract, and him staying after the punch.

Poole got punched in the face and played through the whole season but brehs think he is the bad guy. Think about that, imagine you get punched in the face, knocked out, the shyt goes viral and you go to work with the dude who snuck one on you, and you don’t say a bad word about him once?

Even now as the whole org throws him under the bus, from the Kerr to Draymond. Brehs talk about how he cost them the game cause he went 3-10 while Klay went 3-19. Poole never says shyt but “he is a child of god”:and regarding Draymond “That he kept it business and about basketball”. Bro is getting dogged out in the media and by a ungrateful chick and hasn’t said a word against any of them.

He’s approached every problem like a professional, but you think he has a large ego and wouldn’t play off the bench. The way he moves doesn’t match his image.


Anyhow we can go back on forth on this but I still think Poole and Kuminga makes sense to shore up the bench based on their play not their reputation. They have the guards on the roster to put him in a bench scorer role, a coach who can maybe improve his defense, and vets who he shouldn’t have beef with because none of them attacked him. His GAME is a big risk, but the Knicks have the personnel to limit him to his strengths and maybe develop his defense so he isn’t a liability. Not a lot of teams can do that. The Knicks should have faith in their team to get him and Kuminga right.

From everything I’ve gathered, the team don’t like him cause he doesn’t listen. He doesn’t listen to the coach or anybody. Which is ego related imo. I feel like the team is more fed up with his lack of defensive discipline and never being where he needs to be than the fact that he missed some shots.

 

[RickyGQ]

I cant pay a 6th man 35 million dollars in Poole. Cap needs to be better allocated

For perspective, he’d be the highest paid player on the team.

 

[Wargames]

For perspective, he’d be the highest paid player on the team.

That is still Randle

 

[K-Deini]

Same money going to Fournier and Rose on the bench to not play.

Anyhow, it’s a hypothetical, but it fits this team identity of “misfit players that put in work” more than them gutting the team for out of their prime stars.

I dont wanna double down on a mistake because we made one before lol

they need not make the same mistake with allocation