FrederickDouglas
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I view preachers the same way I view entertainers. Why should I dictate how they get paid or how much their "fans" decide to pay them?
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I view preachers the same way I view entertainers. Why should I dictate how they get paid or how much their "fans" decide to pay them?
ReturnOfJudah
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Tithes is crops in the Bible. It was never money
If a pastor is full time how is he supposed to survive? Of course tithes/offerings go to pay the people that lead the church you attend. It's ridiculous that people act like its some sort of conspiracy theory.
Like I said in my prior reply, The articles referenced in the initial link from jwfacts were from 1900's...the same ones you claimed you looked at.
Verbal Kint
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Tithes were whatever you had. Jesus specifically used a parable of a woman giving coins. The early church shared all their goods and money. And either way, Paul instructed early churches to provide for their teachers with shelter and food. The church takes care of it's leader because they benefit from their teaching and leadership. Not a complicated concept
Verbal Kint
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That's fine if that's what you want. Doesn't mean pastors are 'wrong' if they don't do what you want them to do. And I'm not even saying I disagree with you, just that we all think we know what's best and want to knock others that don't follow our playbook and that's narcissistic and wrong. Truth is most pastors provide a ton to their congregation and community, people just want more and more and more
ReturnOfJudah
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Acts 18:3
And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Acts 20:34
You yourselves know that these hands of mine have ministered to my own needs and those of my companions.
1st Thessalonians 2:9
For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.
1st Thessalonians 4:11
and to aspire to live quietly, to attend to your own matters, and to work with your own hands, as we instructed you.
2nd Thessalonians 3:8
Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
2nd Thessalonians 3:12
We command and urge such people by our Lord Jesus Christ to begin working quietly to earn their own living.
1st Corinthians 4:12
We work hard with our own hands. When we are vilified, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it;
Verbal Kint
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Read 1 Corinthians 9. Makes it pretty clear for you, homie. You're also ignoring the differences between traveling preachers and sitting pastors which we have today who literally work in the church. Counseling, teaching, preaching, community involvement etc. If you want a church with a pastor with a day job you can find one, but they're definitely not accessible. My pastor worked at least part time for years because he didn't want to take a bigger salary from the church but eventually he had to quit to fulfill the needs of the church. Again, this really isn't complicated
ReturnOfJudah
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These churches is teaching sun worship instead of God's laws. You would be a fool to give them your increase. Give your hard earn money to Satan brehs
The pastor suppose to take all that money that's collected and distrubte it to the sick, poor, and elderly. Churches ov every corner in the hood and the poor is still without but the pastor straight. He ain't distributing shyt. That same dusty, crackhead infested block been like that since the 60s. He's not suppose to get a big ass house, fancy car, and rangs and thangs. Y'all don't even know the purpose of tithing. So no one in Israel will go without.
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FrederickDouglas
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Oh, are you talking about the "Black skin" link? I had to go back in the convo to see what you were talking about.
I just posted that to show Watchtower was not always free of racial bias, as some may suggest, and often referred to whites as a special "elect" race that God had bestowed with talents superior to other races. That talk died off as more blacks became JWs and the Civil Rights Movement got underway. But even as late as 1953, 34 years after Christ had supposedly chosen them as the true religion in 1919, they were still saying white supremacist shyt like "South Africa's whole color policy is conditioned by this fact and this fear: 80 per cent of her population is black; if the color bar is breached, what new dike can stop a black flood from overflowing and destroying the civilisation with which white man have displaced the wilderness?"
You have the nerve to defend an organization with that type of history, never mind the other links I've posted in here on controversial topics that are more easily verifiable simply because they're more recent?
Yes, I can verify that all the old racist shyt is true. I know JWs in their 90s that have held on to bound volumes and old publications passed down by their parents. I've read it in print, breh.
Also you can't attack the veracity of newer post-2000 quotations found on jwfacts.com because they can be confirmed by wol.jw.org, the organization's own website. You can only try and attack the history that the organization wants you to forget. Your lack of intellectual honesty is galling.
FrederickDouglas
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As far as people complaining about the pastor's income, fukking Justin Bieber's net worth is over $200 million and he can't even remember the lyrics to his own goddamn songs. I don't give a shyt because I'm not the one putting money in his fukking pockets. So if the preacher has "fans" that want to pay him to give sermons, recite Scriptures and shyt, etc. then more power to them. I don't care because I'm not paying them.
Oh, are you talking about the "Black skin" link? I had to go back in the convo to see what you were talking about.
I just posted that to show Watchtower was not always free of racial bias, as some may suggest, and often referred to whites as a special "elect" race that God had bestowed with talents superior to other races. That talk died off as more blacks became JWs and the Civil Rights Movement got underway. But even as late as 1953, 34 years after Christ had supposedly chosen them as the true religion in 1919, they were still saying white supremacist shyt like "South Africa's whole color policy is conditioned by this fact and this fear: 80 per cent of her population is black; if the color bar is breached, what new dike can stop a black flood from overflowing and destroying the civilisation with which white man have displaced the wilderness?"
You have the nerve to defend an organization with that type of history, never mind the other links I've posted in here on controversial topics that are more easily verifiable simply because they're more recent?
Yes, I can verify that all the old racist shyt is true. I know JWs in their 90s that have held on to bound volumes and old publications passed down by their parents. I've read it in print, breh.
Also you can't attack the veracity of newer post-2000 quotations found on jwfacts.com because they can be confirmed by wol.jw.org, the organization's own website. You can only try and attack the history that the organization wants you to forget. Your lack of intellectual honesty is galling.
Your whole argument is based on an unreliable source and hearsay, breh.
Intellectual honesty? Breh, that same site you keep quoting from can't even copy the correct titles it refrences correctly
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FrederickDouglas
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Your whole argument is based on an unreliable source and hearsay, breh.
What makes it unreliable? Just because you want it to be? That's what I mean by intellectual dishonesty. Everything on jwfacts.com can be verified by external research. Maybe you lack the resources that I have, but what you can research should match up.
Now give me an example of the bold.
Let's look at higher education -
jw facts: “Higher education: Jesus warned against ‘seeking your own glory.’” Watchtower 2011 Jun 15 p.32
The full quote taken from jw.org: Higher education: Jesus warned against ‘seeking your own glory.’ (John 7:18) Whatever you decide as to how much secular education you will obtain, have you ‘made sure of the more important things’?—Phil. 1:9, 10.
Not only proving that again, they don't hinder anyone from higher forms of education, it also shows that jwfacts has a habit of misquoting and taking certain parts out of context.
But hey, breh you do you and keep believing an antiquated website as the end all be all.
Rocket Scientist
Superstar
Every Sun plus Bible Study.
FrederickDouglas
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That quote is not taken out of context in the slightest. It is implicitly discouraging higher education as "seeking out your own glory".
The follow-up question is like "Whether you decide to touch the stove or not, have you really thought about how badly your hand might be injured?"
That's really the best example you could come up with?
I'm just saying you could do better.
Or can you?
