You Ethered that fukkboy. Too bad he's a Tobe nut sucker who just hates Bron. I wouldn't even waste my time on a nikka with a puppy in his avi.Nightmarish turnover rate? Lebron had his worst turnover season ever (joined a new squad and had to figure out rhythm with them), yet he still had fewer turnovers than Kobe did in his worst season. And before this year, Kobe had FOUR seasons with a higher turnover rate than Lebron's worst season ever. Lebron has slightly more career turnovers/game than Kobe, but only because Kobe rarely had to handle the ball during the Shaq days when the Lakers had an elite squad - ever since Shaq left and Kobe averaged a horrific 4.1 turnovers a game the next season, Kobe has had a worse turnover rate than Lebron.
Literally no one argues that Kobe is a better passer than Lebron. It's not even just the assist stats (like Kobe's best full season being worse than every Lebron season since his rookie year). Lebron makes more assists, looks for the assists more, sees the asissts better, makes better decisions on assists, and makes nicer passes on assists. His lifetime assist/turnover ratio is 6.9/3.4, while Kobe's is 4.8/3.0, and Lebron did most of that with far inferior teammates to pass to. Again, no one argues this.
Lebron is also a better rebounder than Kobe. Don't know how you missed that one, but the guy averaging 7.1 boards for his career (8.5 in the playoffs) is a better rebounder than the guy averaging 5.3 boards (and only 5.1 in the playoffs).
Lebron is a better scorer at the rim than Kobe is. Again, this isn't an argument - among perimeter players, Lebron is there with MJ as the greatest scorers at the rim ever, and has probably gotten more clutch shots at the rim than any other player in history. This isn't even a strong area for Kobe.
Lebron has a higher career 3pt% than Kobe. For his career, Lebron averages 1.4 threes a game as a 34% clip. For his career, Kobe averages 1.3 threes a game at a 33% clip. Lebron has a higher % in the playoffs as well until he lost his shot for the first 2 rounds this season and hs number cratered (Kobe's numbers would have cratered too with his awful three-point shooting over the last 5 seasons, but he hardly made the playoffs). Argue shooting mechanics all you want, but then you have to explain why Lebron managed to get results in real games better than Kobe did.
Lebron is better at defending 5s, 4s, 3s, and 1s than Kobe is. Literally the only position which Kobe defends better than Lebron is the 2. Lebron is the guy who is sent to guard the other team's best player much more often than Kobe is, even when that's a point guard. And Lebron is a more disruptive off-ball defender than Kobe, averaging more steals (1.7 to 1.5) and more blocks (0.9 to 0.5) for his career. No one on Earth believes that Kobe is a better shot-blocker than Lebron. No one on Earth believes that Kobe defends big men better than Lebron. Adn most people acknowledge that Lebron defends 1s and 3s better than Kobe too.
Finally, Lebron runs the offense better than Kobe. Kobe is a better ball-handler, but Lebron is better at actually guiding the whole team from the point, which is why he's been doing it from his rookie season and Kobe's only done it occastionally over his career, and usually with hero-ball results.
So your assertion that Kobe does "literally everything better but pass"?Passing, rebounding, scoring at the rim, blocking shots, and defending bigs are all no-brainers, and Lebron's had better results on running the offense, defending PGs, and hitting threes too. You sound like a fool.
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Except we weren't discussing career
Kobe faced the 2003 Spurs and 2004 Pistons plus those Boston teams just stop fam
And the Pistons last prime year was 2005
The irony of this dumb and false statement
The games were blowouts by halftime
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Ok so what if Bron doesn't
Kobe is a better winner than LeBron.Nightmarish turnover rate? Lebron had his worst turnover season ever (joined a new squad and had to figure out rhythm with them), yet he still had fewer turnovers than Kobe did in his worst season. And before this year, Kobe had FOUR seasons with a higher turnover rate than Lebron's worst season ever. Lebron has slightly more career turnovers/game than Kobe, but only because Kobe rarely had to handle the ball during the Shaq days when the Lakers had an elite squad - ever since Shaq left and Kobe averaged a horrific 4.1 turnovers a game the next season, Kobe has had a worse turnover rate than Lebron.
Literally no one argues that Kobe is a better passer than Lebron. It's not even just the assist stats (like Kobe's best full season being worse than every Lebron season since his rookie year). Lebron makes more assists, looks for the assists more, sees the asissts better, makes better decisions on assists, and makes nicer passes on assists. His lifetime assist/turnover ratio is 6.9/3.4, while Kobe's is 4.8/3.0, and Lebron did most of that with far inferior teammates to pass to. Again, no one argues this.
Lebron is also a better rebounder than Kobe. Don't know how you missed that one, but the guy averaging 7.1 boards for his career (8.5 in the playoffs) is a better rebounder than the guy averaging 5.3 boards (and only 5.1 in the playoffs).
Lebron is a better scorer at the rim than Kobe is. Again, this isn't an argument - among perimeter players, Lebron is there with MJ as the greatest scorers at the rim ever, and has probably gotten more clutch shots at the rim than any other player in history. This isn't even a strong area for Kobe.
Lebron has a higher career 3pt% than Kobe. For his career, Lebron averages 1.4 threes a game as a 34% clip. For his career, Kobe averages 1.3 threes a game at a 33% clip. Lebron has a higher % in the playoffs as well until he lost his shot for the first 2 rounds this season and hs number cratered (Kobe's numbers would have cratered too with his awful three-point shooting over the last 5 seasons, but he hardly made the playoffs). Argue shooting mechanics all you want, but then you have to explain why Lebron managed to get results in real games better than Kobe did.
Lebron is better at defending 5s, 4s, 3s, and 1s than Kobe is. Literally the only position which Kobe defends better than Lebron is the 2. Lebron is the guy who is sent to guard the other team's best player much more often than Kobe is, even when that's a point guard. And Lebron is a more disruptive off-ball defender than Kobe, averaging more steals (1.7 to 1.5) and more blocks (0.9 to 0.5) for his career. No one on Earth believes that Kobe is a better shot-blocker than Lebron. No one on Earth believes that Kobe defends big men better than Lebron. Adn most people acknowledge that Lebron defends 1s and 3s better than Kobe too.
Finally, Lebron runs the offense better than Kobe. Kobe is a better ball-handler, but Lebron is better at actually guiding the whole team from the point, which is why he's been doing it from his rookie season and Kobe's only done it occastionally over his career, and usually with hero-ball results.
So your assertion that Kobe does "literally everything better but pass"?
Similar rebound rates RELATIVE to their position
Oh, so now you're going to move the goalposts and it's "relative to their position" that counts?
Lebron's still a better rebounder "relative to his position" than Kobe is.
Well, by that argument, Lebron is a FAR better passer "relative to his position", a FAR better ball-handler "relative to his position", a FAR better defender of point guards "relative to his position", a FAR better runner of the offense "relative to his position", and a FAR better three-point shooter "relative to his position".
But I'm sure that you'd rather cherry pick and use "relative to his position" for that single stat, right?
Finishing wasn't a strong suit for Kobe?
Not at Lebron's level. Neither the numbers nor the eye test tells anyone that Kobe is as good at getting to the rim and finishing as Lebron is.
Are you stupid? Can't read what I already put right there for you? Lebron averages 1.4 threes a game for his career, Kobe averages 1.3 threes a game for his career.
Lebron has MORE volume than Kobe, not WAYYYYY less.
You see, this where a reasonable person says, "I thought Lebron had WAYYYYY less volume on threes than Kobe, but he actually has more. My Kobe Stanned-eyes must be lying to me, I should reevaluate my position."
But you won't, because that's not what Kobe Stans do. You'll now just proceed to ignore the blatant factual inaccuracy you just made, and will make more of them.
But he isn't
nope nope and nope
You said Kobe was not an elite finisher.....nothing to do with Lebron
Kobe 5079 3 pt attempted
Lebron 3671 3 pt attempted
You failed math and english, huh?
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Trying to score and will your team back to wins during the 2nd half is "scoring in garbage time" now.The games were blowouts by halftime
Let's ignore the fact that no matter when Kawhi and Diaw were guarding him he was torching them, the numbers speak for themselves. I hate fakkits like you because lord knows if this were Kobe you'd be talking about his "killer instinct" and how he never stops trying to compete even if his team is down.I forgot, aggression is "stat padding" when you're Bron and "killer instinct" when you're Kobe. And LORD KNOWs if LeBron wasn't scoring during those 2nd halfs you'd be the first fakkit to talk about "this is why he'll never be better than Jordan. He isn't scoring, blah blah." You losers never cease to amaze me.
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We're not discussing career? Then what do you want to discuss? Just Lebron's prime? Okay then, in 2009-2014, name 2 full playoff seasons in which Lebron's TS% was less than his career playoff TS% of 57%, or anywhere even close to Kobe's playoff TS% of 54%.
I'll be waiting.
Kobe faced the 2003 Spurs and 2004 Pistons plus those Boston teams just stop fam
You mean that Boston squad that held Kobe to 6-24 shooting in Game 7 of the Finals?
I threw out 15 squads. You threw out 4.
But he isn't
nope nope and nope
I give the numbers and facts, and you're now reduced to, "But he isn't" and "nope nope nope" with faces. You lose.
Uh, I thought we were comparing Kobe to Lebron. That's the whole point of this exercise, right? And you misquoted me - I said it wasn't a strong suit for him.
Kobe 5079 3 pt attempted
Lebron 3671 3 pt attempted
You failed math and english, huh?
No way you are this stupid in the rest of your life. This has to be a special disease that only comes up with Kobe is being talked about.
Kobe has played 19 seasons. Lebron has played 12 seasons.
Kobe has shot 267 threes/season. Lebron has shot 306 threes/season. And Lebron has made them at a higher rate.
Lebron shoots threes at a higher volume than Kobe. You can't deny that.
And up there at the top, didn't you say, "but we weren't discussing career"??? Do you know what the phrase "cherry-picking" means?
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They always do this. They're like ex wives and lawyers. Blatantly lying about things and leaving out details or changing their story as they go until they just simply start yelling rings or "nah uh Kobe is better". I've even seen them argue Wade needed Shaq in 2006 but ignore 1996-2004 as well as the fact that in the 2006 finals Shaq averaged 13.7/10.2 while Wade was scoring 34.7. That's an even larger gap than Shaq over Kobe from 2000-2002.
You've already admitted Kobe faced more
no, you gave misguided opinions
It is tho
the sheer stupidity
Trying to score and will your team back to wins during the 2nd half is "scoring in garbage time" now.
When you are down 20 and not eating into the lead? Yes
rate and volume are not synonymous
fail 9th grade algebra
You fail for not knowing basic basketball terminology. Is Tim Duncan a "volume shooter" because he's taken 20,000 career shots?
"Volume shooting" in the NBA is taking a lot of shots when you're in the game. It is NOT a comment on the length of your career. It's like the Kobe Stan elite level.
So tell me, explain your argument.
I told you that Lebron shot threes at a higher % than Kobe did.
I told you that Lebron made more threes/game than Kobe did.
I told you that Lebron made more threes/season than Kobe did.
But to a Kobe Stan, Kobe is better because he's had WAAAAAAYYY more volume on threes than Lebron, by which you now claim to have meant....just that he's been around longer.
WTF about the fact that Kobe has played more seasons have anything to do with our discussion of three-point shooting?
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Actually, that gap is sort of close for the 2000 Finals. Remember, that year Kobe only averaged 19/5/4 in the regular season, 21/4/4 in the playoffs, and an embarassing 15/5/4 in the Finals on 37% shooting. Meanwhile, Shaq was averaging 35 and 18 on 60% shooting.
At least in the 2000 NBA Finals, Kobe was certainly less help to his team overall than Shaq was in 2006.
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