Who has the higher ceiling: Kyrie Irving or John Wall?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This proves that Kyrie's style of play isn't conducive to winning unless he's a second option.

Lineups while Bron was out -

Irving
Jr Smith
Mike Miller
Kevin Love
Tristan Thompson

Irving
Dellavedova
Miller
Love
Thompson

If you take out Kyrie I don't think Bron would've even won with those lineups .

But since it's obvious you didn't watch those games, I'mma go head and let you cook.

 

[My neck and my back]

Can't win what? A ring? It's certainly possible. Probably not though. But you can bet your bottom dollar no team will win a ring with Wall as the #1 option.

Kyrie as a #1 option > Wall as a #1 option.

can't win enough games to make the playoffs nikka...he couldn't carry cleveland with bron out but some how he a better 1st option? russy didn't get this over hyped during the years him and kd were healthy and he was ahead of kyrie

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

can't win enough games to make the playoffs nikka...

The second best player on the team last season was Dion Waiters. Dion. Waiters. In case you didn't get it the first and second time. Dion Waiters.

Who the fukk can win shyt in this league when the best player they have to handle the load is Dion Waiters.

he couldn't carry cleveland with bron out but some how he a better 1st option?

Check the lineups above.

Wall isn't carrying the Cavs to wins with Mike Miller, Matthew Dallavedova, Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson. 99% of the league isn't carrying a lineup like that to wins.

russy didn't get this over hyped during the years him and kd were healthy and he was ahead of kyrie

Who the fukk is over-hyping him? He was close to being the most crucified PG on this board before he starting shutting yall the fukk up.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@My neck and my back why can't we just leave it that you don't watch Cavs games, therefore you don't have an accurate opinion of Kyrie and leave it at that?

 

[My neck and my back]

Beal, Ariza, Gortat and Nene. That's a GREAT complimentary cast. 3-pt shooting and perimeter defense and the best big man duo in the East.



Win what?

The team you see now is different to the team you saw playing when Bron was out. A lot different.

They had lineups like this:

Irving
Jr Smith
Mike Miller
Kevin Love
Tristan Thompson

Irving
Dellavedova
Miller
Love
Thompson

Dellavedova
Joe Harris (I bet you haven't even heard of dude)
Miller
Love
Thompson

Are you seriously gonna sit there and tell me Wall would've won them those games? Those lineups are lottery status.

no name the 10 pg's that can win with the wiz supporting cast...you overrating the shyt outta them like they were expected to be as good as they were last year when no one seen them as real threat until they beat the bulls in the playoffs

and that's basically the same cavs team minus mozgov and bron

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

no name the 10 pg's that can win with the wiz supporting cast...you overrating the shyt outta them like they were expected to be as good as they were last year when no one seen the as real threat until they beat the bulls in the playoffs

I'm talking about last season. 10 PGs would make it into the playoffs in the East last season with Beal, Ariza, Nene and Gortat. Wizards were never a REAL threat. They just were a good team.

Curry
Westbrook
Paul
Irving
Lillard
Lowry
Knight
Teague
Conley
Lawson
Parker

There's about 11 there. Curry, Westbrook, Irving and Paul would probably lead the Wizards to a better record than Wall did. Knight, Lowry, Lillard, Teague, Conley, Lawson and Parker would either lead them to relatively the same record or a few wins short.

Wizards finished on 44 wins. The 8th seed finished on 38 wins. All those players would be capable of leading that team to at least 39 wins last season.

 

[My neck and my back]

@My neck and my back why can't we just leave it that you don't watch Cavs games, therefore you don't have an accurate opinion of Kyrie and leave it at that?

i watch kyrie enough to know that his impact is as a scorer who needs the best player in the league to draw attention away from him

 

[My neck and my back]

I'm talking about last season. 10 PGs would make it into the playoffs in the East last season with Beal, Ariza, Nene and Gortat. Wizards were never a REAL threat. They just were a good team.

Curry
Westbrook
Paul
Irving
Lillard
Lowry
Knight
Teague
Conley
Lawson
Parker

There's about 11 there. Curry, Westbrook, Irving and Paul would probably lead the Wizards to a better record than Wall did. Knight, Lowry, Teague, Conley, Lawson and Parker would either lead them to relatively the same record or a few wins short.

Wizards finished on 44 wins. The 8th seed finished on 38 wins. All those players would be capable of leading that team to at least 39 wins last season.

thank you...NOW...guess what all those pg's have in common with except kyrie?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

i watch kyrie enough to know that his impact is as a scorer who needs the best player in the league to draw attention away from him

Well you'd be wrong.

He dropped 55 points against a top-5 defense (statistically at the time) WITHOUT Bron. Although yes having Bron on the team does help draw SOME attention away, he can still score efficiently without Bron. It's clear you don't watch enough games - you brought up him not leading the Cavs to wins without Bron, when he was playing with Mike Miller and Matthew Dellaedova in the starting lineup. Those dudes are lucky to even be on a NBA roster. No PG in the league would be able to win games with those two. Yet you're expecting Kyrie to?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

thank you...NOW...guess what all those pg's have in common with except kyrie?

 

[My neck and my back]

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

 

[My neck and my back]

everyone beside knight actually led their team to the post season

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

everyone beside knight actually led their team to the post season

Then ask yourself this - how many of those PGs would lead their team to the playoffs with Dion Waiters as the second best player?

Think very carefully before you answer.

 

[My neck and my back]

Well you'd be wrong.

He dropped 55 points against a top-5 defense (statistically at the time) WITHOUT Bron. Although yes having Bron on the team does help draw SOME attention away, he can still score efficiently without Bron. It's clear you don't watch enough games - you brought up him not leading the Cavs to wins without Bron, when he was playing with Mike Miller and Matthew Dellaedova in the starting lineup. Those dudes are lucky to even be on a NBA roster. No PG in the league would be able to win games with those two. Yet you're expecting Kyrie to?

one game doesn't change the point