Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?

[10bandz]

I wouldn’t say Timmy was a role player. Timmy was more of a team player than anything else. It’s why he was able to get to the finals in 2013 and 2014.

I do think it was a tossup between Manu and Timmy. You can say manu wasn’t selected

Idk about the spurs being run better. Timmy has been gone, and they haven’t been nearly as good as they were. Timmy was the reason everything worked so well. There’s a reason why pop says he’s nothing without Timmy.

Timmy was the better player because the teams he was on were almost ALWAYS in the mix with him on the teams. No matter how old he got, he was still an amazing defensive anchor.

He wasn't a superstar anymore, period.

And the spurs were definitely ran better. That never had the turnover the Lakers had during Kobe's career. TD didn't trade for the 2014 FMVP, his front office did.

And don't be misleading my nikka. The year after TD retired they signed LMA and Pau,, they won 61 games and were wooping the Dubs before Kawhi got hurt. They fell off because Kawhi got traded.

 

[Sccit]

Wasn't an elite playmaker, team defense was lacking although his on ball defense was elite at his peak it fell off alot faster than people admit. His efficiency from 3 was lacking.

If we're gonna nitpick, he struggled handful of times in adverse situations when we hold other ATG to another standard.. ala PHX series, Detroit series, issues with teammates, off court issues, etc.

KOBE WAS A GREAT PLAYMAKER, DEFENDER, AND 3 POINT SHOOTER


THE FACT THAT U USE THOSE AS WEAKNESSES SPEAKS VOLUMES

 

[Don Homer]

He wasn't a superstar anymore, period.

And the spurs were definitely ran better. That never had the turnover the Lakers had during Kobe's career. TD didn't trade for the 2014 FMVP, his front office did.

And don't be misleading my nikka. The year after TD retired they signed LMA and Pau,, they won 61 games and were wooping the Dubs before Kawhi got hurt. They fell off because Kawhi got traded.

They’ve had Derozan for 3 seasons and we’re more or less the same team, and we’re never more than the 7 seed. They haven’t sniffed the playoffs for over 3 years. Derozan goes to the bulls and immediately makes the all star team and gets all NBA

it’s not my words. Pop said himself that he’s nothing without Timmy.

The fact that he saw so much succes with someone who was the 28th pick and 55th pick who was a bench player for most of his career shows how great he is.

 

[Sccit]

Conversely LeBron was able to take clutch shots while also making others around him better, taking worse teams than Kobe's to deep playoff runs and Finals appearances

LMFAOOOOO


LEBRON LITERALLY TURNS STARS INTO SUPPORTING PLAYERS AND TURNS SUPPORTING PLAYERS INTO SCRUBS

HE WOULD WIN 12 GAMES MAX ON THE SMUSH-LUKE-KWAME LAKERS

NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS COULD HE WIN WIT GASOL AS HIS SECOND OPTION


DO BETTER YOUNG’N

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I give him a pass for 2000 because he wasn’t playing but not the other years. The fact is he was never able to lead a team to 3 straight finals and back to back titles like Kobe did. Him and bird are really the only top 12 guys who can say that. Everyone else repeated.

That criteria is completely random and was created by Kobestans just for the agenda. Wilt never repeated, Bird never repeated, Magic and Kareem didn't repeat until their final title, and no one gave a fukk.

When Kareem was 40yo in 1988 and had five titles but had never repeated in his career, literally NO ONE was saying, "This better be the year Kareem finally repeats or he'll be missing something." Literally no one was saying, "Magic has 4 titles but he's never repeated, he'll never be the GOAT until he does." No one cared, it had zero impact on their legacy.

You're suggesting that Duncan's legacy would be better if his 5 titles fell in '99, '05, '06, '07, '14 instead of '99, '03, '05, '07, '14. That's just nonsense.

Kobe was surrounded by dog shyt from 05-07.

I'm just pointing out that it's silly to nitpick 5 particular seasons that Duncan didn't win (most of which were due to injury) and ignore the 15 seasons Kobe didn't win. Kobe had numerous years with great squads that didn't do anything, and he never once even managed to win a playoff series unless he had an A1 squad backing him. For Kobe it's okay to make the excuses of injuries or inferior supporting cast or even just "they weren't ready yet" or "they were tired that year", but you ignore those factors for Duncan.

Duncan's '01 cast was shyt and his '02-'03 casts weren't special, yet he got to a WCF, WCSF, and championship in those three seasons.

Im talking about when Duncan had a HOF backcourt for a decade and couldn’t repeat. He couldn’t even make back to back until he became a role player in 2014

Calling it a "HOF backcourt for a decade" is just silly internet shyt, Manu and TP never once even made an All-Star game in the same season and you want to word it like they were the #1 and #2 guards in the league or some shyt. Manu only made two All-Star games and never averaged more than 12ppg outside of the '05 to '11 stretch, he's in the Hall of Fame because of his international play and being a 6th man on a dynasty, not because he was a transcendant player. TP wasn't playing at all All-Star level until 2006.

During that '05 to '11 stretch when the Spurs actually had two elite guards, Duncan won a title in '05, came a foul away from the finals in '06, won another title in '07, and then were hit hard by injuries and retirements in '08-'11.

 

[murksiderock]

Rhakim in here lying....TD was not the top guy in 2007 and was barely the top guy in 2005. Kobe never had the luxury of being able to score sub 20ppg and his team was still a contender.

Duncan was the best player on his first four championships, cut it out...

I also find it funny how you dug in the archives for old quotes and mags about Kobe bit haven't done the same for Duncan ...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I wouldn’t say Timmy was a role player. Timmy was more of a team player than anything else. It’s why he was able to get to the finals in 2013 and 2014.

Who called Duncan a role player?

Dumbasses will claim Duncan was a role player but then say that Manu and TP were stars. They don't know shyt about defense or team play or leadership, their only way of evaluating any player is looking at his PPG and highlights. Duncan was more important to the team than TP and Manu every fukking year they played together until 2016.


Even in '13-'15 when he was old as fukk he was still making All-NBA teams, All-Defensive teams, getting MVP votes, and clearly the most essential player out of the three. And in the biggest games he could score too, he was just a team player so he never felt the need to force a 40-spot in an easy blowout. Outside of his injured postseasons, most of Duncan's low-scoring efforts were in easy wins. Even when he was old as fukk he could put points on the board when needed.


* 2013 Finals Game 6 with a title on the line he put up 30 and 17. At fukking 37yo with knees that couldn't even elevate off the ground.

* 2013 Finals Game 7 he put up 24 and 12. The biggest game of the year and 103rd game of the season and he's still the best player on the squad at 37yo.

If the Spurs had just secured a rebound in those final seconds (with Pop fukking up and having Timmy on the bench cause the Heat were shooting 3s), Duncan would have won his 4th Finals MVP. Led the team in scoring and rebound with elite defense and the best Game 6 by far.


* 2014 the Spurs' toughest series were going to 7 against the Mavs and going to 6 against the Thunder. Duncan was the best player on the team in both of them. Led the team in scoring and rebounding against the Thunder and was just barely behind TP/Manu in scoring on far better efficiency against the Mavs, plus he was the only one of the three playing elite defense. He had low scoring #'s that postseason just because too many wins were easy.


* 2015 against the Clippers he was the best player on the team AGAIN. His #'s were a little weak just because Pop sat him early in the two blowouts and he didn't force anything when the Spurs were winning by 25. In the five games that weren't blowouts he averaged 22 and 12, including 27 and 11 in Game 7. At 39 fukking years old.


Tim Duncan didn't become a role player until he was 40 years old.

 

[Sccit]

Bron has more MVPS and one less finals MVP than Kobe and Duncan combined. He had a longer prime than Duncan and a higher peak. Only thing Duncan has over Bron is one more championship that he won when he was part of an ensemble cast.

HE HAS 6 LESS RINGS IN ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRIPS TO THE FINALS COMBINED TOO

 

[Don Homer]

That criteria is completely random and was created by Kobestans just for the agenda. Wilt never repeated, Bird never repeated, Magic and Kareem didn't repeat until their final title, and no one gave a fukk.

When Kareem was 40yo in 1988 and had five titles but had never repeated in his career, literally NO ONE was saying, "This better be the year Kareem finally repeats or he'll be missing something." Literally no one was saying, "Magic has 4 titles but he's never repeated, he'll never be the GOAT until he does." No one cared, it had zero impact on their legacy.

You're suggesting that Duncan's legacy would be better if his 5 titles fell in '99, '05, '06, '07, '14 instead of '99, '03, '05, '07, '14. That's just nonsense.





I'm just pointing out that it's silly to nitpick 5 particular seasons that Duncan didn't win (most of which were due to injury) and ignore the 15 seasons Kobe didn't win. Kobe had numerous years with great squads that didn't do anything, and he never once even managed to win a playoff series unless he had an A1 squad backing him. For Kobe it's okay to make the excuses of injuries or inferior supporting cast or even just "they weren't ready yet" or "they were tired that year", but you ignore those factors for Duncan.

Duncan's '01 cast was shyt and his '02-'03 casts weren't special, yet he got to a WCF, WCSF, and championship in those three seasons.





Calling it a "HOF backcourt for a decade" is just silly internet shyt, Manu and TP never once even made an All-Star game in the same season and you want to word it like they were the #1 and #2 guards in the league or some shyt. Manu only made two All-Star games and never averaged more than 12ppg outside of the '05 to '11 stretch, he's in the Hall of Fame because of his international play and being a 6th man on a dynasty, not because he was a transcendant player. TP wasn't playing at all All-Star level until 2006.

During that '05 to '11 stretch when the Spurs actually had two elite guards, Duncan won a title in '05, came a foul away from the finals in '06, won another title in '07, and then were hit hard by injuries and retirements in '08-'11.

This is crazy. He was losing playoff series left and right and missed it once shaq left

I never understood Kobe getting credit for beating the spurs. Kobe was unable to lead his teams to the playoffs when the spurs were rolling.

 

[Sccit]

His only weakness was sometimes his shot selection was off cuz of ball hogging, which doesn't mean shyt because Kobe-ran offenses were top 10 his whole career even when his teammates were ass cheeks. His "weakness" never messed up the overall productivity of the offenses he was running. Even the 2005 Lakers that missed the playoffs had the 7th best offensive rating in the NBA and the rating was better than some of the teams with Shaq.

THAT NONSENSE ABOUT WEAK SHOT SELECTION IS NOT EVEN TRUE

HIS WILLINGNESS TO TAKE SHOTS NO ONE ELSE WOULD IS WHAT MADE HIM THE MOST FEARLESS PLAYER OF ALL TIME, WHO HIT SOME OF THE BIGGEST SHOTS EVER OFF THAT CONFIDENCE, WHICH IN TURN MADE HIM THE GOAT

 

[Sccit]

His Basketball iq at times was not good. Made no sense to jack up 3's with 3 men on you. Doesn't mean he wasn't great. Just a weakness.

ANYONE QUESTIONING KOBES BASKETBALL IQ IS NOT ONLY AN IDIOT WHEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL, BUT A REAL LIFE MORON TOO

 

[Sccit]

You just said he had bad shot selection at times. That's basketball iq. Compare that to what people say about lebron (and no I'm not a stan. I'm a Pistons fan). He makes the right basketball play. So why would i need to educate myself?

LEBRON MAKES THE SAFE BASKETBALL PLAY

REAL ONES KNO, PLAYIN IT SAFE WILL PROTECT U, BUT ALSO KEEP U FROM THE BEST POSSIBLE RESULTS

 

[qnsfinest]

107 people voted for duncan so far.

I guess all of them are stupid with no basketball knowledge except for one kobe stan. He the only knowledgeable nba fan on the site

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is crazy. He was losing playoff series left and right and missed it once shaq left

I never understood Kobe getting credit for beating the spurs. Kobe was unable to lead his teams to the playoffs when the spurs were rolling.

Outside of the '08-'10 run, Kobe only won 3 playoff series in 10 seasons without Shaq. He was lucky that he didn't face the Spurs in ANY of those 10 seasons. Somehow they're giving him extra credit for worse results, if he had miraculously drug those teams to face the Spurs in any 2-3 of those 10 years, he'd have a worse lifetime record....and somehow playing better would have given him a worse legacy?

Literally the only reason that he has a winning postseason head-to-head against Duncan is because Duncan drug inferior supporting casts to the '01 WCF and '02 WCSF when Shaq and the Lakers were the most stacked they'd ever been. Whereas when the Spurs had their most stacked teams in '05-'07 and '12-'14, Kobe wasn't there to lose to them.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

107 people voted for duncan so far.

I guess all of them are stupid with no basketball knowledge except for one kobe stan. He the only knowledgeable nba fan on the site

I think the same goes for the people who gave Duncan 2 MVPs and 2 runner-ups years before Kobe even cracked the top-2 for the first time. Or the ones who had already awarded Duncan three Finals MVPs almost five years before Kobe got his first.


And, of course, in 2016 when they both retired some experts with slightly more credibility than rapid Kobestans knew what time it was:

All-Time #NBArank: Timeless Timmy at No. 8

Tim Duncan, a five-time champion, comes in at No. 8 in our countdown of the 100 greatest players of all time.

www.espn.com

All-Time #NBArank: Where does Kobe belong?

Who are the greatest players in NBA history? We're counting down the top 100 on All-Time #NBArank.

www.espn.com

Duncan #8 all-time, Kobe #12 all-time. Ouch.