Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?

[Street Knowledge]

That criteria is completely random and was created by Kobestans just for the agenda. Wilt never repeated, Bird never repeated, Magic and Kareem didn't repeat until their final title, and no one gave a fukk.

When Kareem was 40yo in 1988 and had five titles but had never repeated in his career, literally NO ONE was saying, "This better be the year Kareem finally repeats or he'll be missing something." Literally no one was saying, "Magic has 4 titles but he's never repeated, he'll never be the GOAT until he does." No one cared, it had zero impact on their legacy.

You're suggesting that Duncan's legacy would be better if his 5 titles fell in '99, '05, '06, '07, '14 instead of '99, '03, '05, '07, '14. That's just nonsense.





I'm just pointing out that it's silly to nitpick 5 particular seasons that Duncan didn't win (most of which were due to injury) and ignore the 15 seasons Kobe didn't win. Kobe had numerous years with great squads that didn't do anything, and he never once even managed to win a playoff series unless he had an A1 squad backing him. For Kobe it's okay to make the excuses of injuries or inferior supporting cast or even just "they weren't ready yet" or "they were tired that year", but you ignore those factors for Duncan.

Duncan's '01 cast was shyt and his '02-'03 casts weren't special, yet he got to a WCF, WCSF, and championship in those three seasons.





Calling it a "HOF backcourt for a decade" is just silly internet shyt, Manu and TP never once even made an All-Star game in the same season and you want to word it like they were the #1 and #2 guards in the league or some shyt. Manu only made two All-Star games and never averaged more than 12ppg outside of the '05 to '11 stretch, he's in the Hall of Fame because of his international play and being a 6th man on a dynasty, not because he was a transcendant player. TP wasn't playing at all All-Star level until 2006.

During that '05 to '11 stretch when the Spurs actually had two elite guards, Duncan won a title in '05, came a foul away from the finals in '06, won another title in '07, and then were hit hard by injuries and retirements in '08-'11.

What agenda? Successfully defending your crown is one of the hardest things in sports and Duncan never did it despite having a HOF backcourt and GOAT level coach for a decade plus. He never had a run like Bryant did from 08-10 leading a team to 3 straight finals and back to back chips. You make excuses for Duncan(he was hurt in 04)ignoring Kobe was hurt in 2010. He had to have his knee drained in between series.

You playing the woulda coulda shoulda game like I can’t do that too.

Kobe’s record with HCA is impeccable. When he was supposed to win he won at a level not seen outside of Jordan. So I’m tryna go figure these “great casts that didn’t do shyt”. The 2008 lakers didn’t have one other laker make an all star team so I’m trying to figure out how that was an “A1cast” too.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Outside of the '08-'10 run, Kobe only won 3 playoff series in 10 seasons without Shaq. He was lucky that he didn't face the Spurs in ANY of those 10 seasons. Somehow they're giving him extra credit for worse results, if he had miraculously drug those teams to face the Spurs in any 2-3 of those 10 years, he'd have a worse lifetime record....and somehow playing better would have given him a worse legacy?

Literally the only reason that he has a winning postseason head-to-head against Duncan is because Duncan drug inferior supporting casts to the '01 WCF and '02 WCSF when Shaq and the Lakers were the most stacked they'd ever been. Whereas when the Spurs had their most stacked teams in '05-'07 and '12-'14, Kobe wasn't there to lose to them.

downplaying outside of leading a team to 3 straight finals and winning back to back chips something Duncan never did while eliminating prime Duncan on the way to the finals in 2008. This idea that Kobe was the one lucky to not face the Spurs and not the other way around is laughable.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Oh and Duncan was 1st team all NBA/top 5 in mvp voting in 2008. I know some people like to run with this narrative that he was done by then

 

[Street Knowledge]

This is crazy. He was losing playoff series left and right and missed it once shaq left

I never understood Kobe getting credit for beating the spurs. Kobe was unable to lead his teams to the playoffs when the spurs were rolling.

Shaq was getting swept out the playoffs left and right pre Kobe on significantly better teams.

Kobe was more successful without Shaq, than Shaq ever was pre or post kobe

 

[Street Knowledge]

This is crazy. He was losing playoff series left and right and missed it once shaq left

I never understood Kobe getting credit for beating the spurs. Kobe was unable to lead his teams to the playoffs when the spurs were rolling.

Shaq was getting swept out the playoffs left and right pre Kobe on significantly better teams.

Kobe was more successful without Shaq, than Shaq ever was pre or post kobe

Also Tim Duncan’s Spurs lost 8 times with home court advantage, I think that might be a record for an all time great. It’s him or bird I believe who had this problem as well.

2001,2004, 2006,2009, 2011,2012, 2014, 2016

For all the consistent regular seasons win 50 games, they had a tendency to get upset in the playoffs. To put this in perspective Kobe Bryant lost 2 times his whole career with home court, the 2004 Finals, and the 2011 WCSF against the Mavs. Michael Jordan lost zero times with home court, but that’s Michael Jordan.

8 times upset in the playoffs. That’s crazy. If you’re gonna give him a “pass” post 2009 and say well he wasn’t in his prime then don’t give him the credit for the wins

 

[10bandz]

107 people voted for duncan so far.

I guess all of them are stupid with no basketball knowledge except for one kobe stan. He the only knowledgeable nba fan on the site

Go outside and talk about it

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'll say it again - if you have to invent brand-new criteria that has never been used in the history of the sport, then you already know your argument is trash.

NO ONE cared that Bird never repeated. NO ONE cared that Kareem hadn't ever repeated until his final title in '88. NO ONE cared that Magic hadn't ever repeated until his final title in '88. If Kareem and Magic had won their last title in '89 instead of '88 and therefore "never repeated", they'd have the exact same legacy they have today.

Hell, before the '88 title the top five players in NBA history at that moment were Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, and Magic, and only one of those had ever repeated. Meanwhile plenty of inferior players have led their teams to repeats (Mikan, Mikan again, Isiah, Hakeem, Durant). But no one cares.

What agenda? Successfully defending your crown is one of the hardest things in sports

No it's not, that claim is dumb as fukk. You have a FAR higher chance to win a title if you won the year before than if you didn't, it's why the defending champs are favored or close to favored every season unless they lose someone. A proven winner with a championship roster and Finals experience is way more likely to win than a team that don't have that shyt.

The main shyt that derails repeat bids are injuries, players moving on, or players aging out, and it just happens that the Spurs had that shyt happen most years after they won and the Lakers didn't.

 

[10bandz]

Score 13ppg and lose to an 8th seed in the playoffs but you’re still a superstar brehs

 

[Don Homer]

Outside of the '08-'10 run, Kobe only won 3 playoff series in 10 seasons without Shaq. He was lucky that he didn't face the Spurs in ANY of those 10 seasons. Somehow they're giving him extra credit for worse results, if he had miraculously drug those teams to face the Spurs in any 2-3 of those 10 years, he'd have a worse lifetime record....and somehow playing better would have given him a worse legacy?

Literally the only reason that he has a winning postseason head-to-head against Duncan is because Duncan drug inferior supporting casts to the '01 WCF and '02 WCSF when Shaq and the Lakers were the most stacked they'd ever been. Whereas when the Spurs had their most stacked teams in '05-'07 and '12-'14, Kobe wasn't there to lose to them.

Smh he wasn’t there to lose to anyone.

It’d be one thing if he made the playoffs but never met the Spurs. He just wasn’t there.

Kobe got his shyt ended by OKC in 2012 and that was basically it (he would have lost to the spurs in 2013, if he was around and didn’t get injured). The spurs played the Kobe-Shaq lakers, the dirk Mavs, the 7SOL suns, and still battled the GnG Grizzlies, the Golden State Warriors, and had a back and forth with the new, emerging OKC thunder. That a stretch of dominance that no team has ever had

 

[Street Knowledge]

I'll say it again - if you have to invent brand-new criteria that has never been used in the history of the sport, then you already know your argument is trash.

NO ONE cared that Bird never repeated. NO ONE cared that Kareem hadn't ever repeated until his final title in '88. NO ONE cared that Magic hadn't ever repeated until his final title in '88. If Kareem and Magic had won their last title in '89 instead of '88 and therefore "never repeated", they'd have the exact same legacy they have today.

Hell, before the '88 title the top five players in NBA history at that moment were Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, and Magic, and only one of those had ever repeated. Meanwhile plenty of inferior players have led their teams to repeats (Mikan, Mikan again, Isiah, Hakeem, Durant). But no one cares.







No it's not, that claim is dumb as fukk. You have a FAR higher chance to win a title if you won the year before than if you didn't, it's why the defending champs are favored or close to favored every season unless they lose someone. A proven winner with a championship roster and Finals experience is way more likely to win than a team that don't have that shyt.

The main shyt that derails repeat bids are injuries, players moving on, or players aging out, and it just happens that the Spurs had that shyt happen most years after they won and the Lakers didn't.

Yeah the lakers never had things like Kobe having a bad knee in the 2010 playoffs that he had to get drained. No one moved on or got old either. That just happened to the Spurs

 

[10bandz]

Duncan was the best player on his first four championships, cut it out...

I also find it funny how you dug in the archives for old quotes and mags about Kobe bit haven't done the same for Duncan ...

Yeah okay, y’all nikkas keep acting like the 2005 finals never happened. You fakkits stay bringing up pau and artest for 2010 but a big man shooting 41% in the finals while missing clutch FTs in G7 while Manu shoots 50% and scores 11 pts in the 4th of G7 never happened huh.

I find it funny you think Harden is better than Wade and Oscar. fukk outta here.

 

[10bandz]

Yeah the lakers never had things like Kobe having a bad knee in the 2010 playoffs that he had to get drained. No one moved on or got old either. That just happened to the Spurs

Kobe won the 2010 finals with 4 working fingers in his shooting hand but nah that never happened

 

[Big Boss]

Timmy

 

[Street Knowledge]

The Spurs weren’t a dynasty either. Great run but no dynasty, the main reason is they never won back to back.

How you a dynasty but in the middle of your run another team 3 peats and owns you in the playoffs lol. I never got the Spurs we’re a dynasty thing. The 80’s Celtics weren’t a dynasty either, because like the Spurs they never won back to back and another team owned them in the playoffs during their run

 

[10bandz]

so now Kobe had “numerous squads with great players that didn’t do anything” Like he spent his whole career losing with multiple all star teammates. Pathetic