he was a role player well before than. 2011 they won 61 games while he only averaged 13ppg on 28mpg. Both TP and Manu took well over 100 more shots than him that season and Dejuan Blair had a better defensive rating.
Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?
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he was a role player well before than. 2011 they won 61 games while he only averaged 13ppg on 28mpg. Both TP and Manu took well over 100 more shots than him that season and Dejuan Blair had a better defensive rating.
Yeah and after 2011 he stopped contending. Meanwhile the spurs were aging and still competing.
I’m taking into account both careers from start to finish. I think the 1v1 comparisons don’t make sense tbh. But Timmy was a better overall player than Kobe.
I also think if Kobe played in the 2013 playoffs, they still lose to the spurs. That 2013 was the second most disappointing team of all time.
Also Kobe has had some playoff blunders himself. Blowing that 3-1 lead to the suns, getting massacred by Boston in g6 2008, losing in 5 to the 2004 pistons as the heavy favorite (Duncan beat them the next season to earn his 3rd FMVP)
Timmy is he closest to mike’s 6-0 finals record. And he had Tony Parker and ginobili as the best players during most of his time. You can include David Robinson, but he wasn’t nearly the player he was by the time Duncan was a spur.
Also Tim Duncan’s Spurs lost 8 times with home court advantage, I think that might be a record for an all time great. It’s him or bird I believe who had this problem as well.
2001,2004, 2006,2009, 2011,2012, 2014, 2016
For all the consistent regular seasons win 50 games, they had a tendency to get upset in the playoffs. To put this in perspective Kobe Bryant lost 2 times his whole career with home court, the 2004 Finals, and the 2011 WCSF against the Mavs. Michael Jordan lost zero times with home court, but that’s Michael Jordan.
2001,2004, 2006,2009, 2011,2012, 2014, 2016
For all the consistent regular seasons win 50 games, they had a tendency to get upset in the playoffs. To put this in perspective Kobe Bryant lost 2 times his whole career with home court, the 2004 Finals, and the 2011 WCSF against the Mavs. Michael Jordan lost zero times with home court, but that’s Michael Jordan.
This is such a flawed way of thinking.
You dominate the ball for 3 quarters and in the clutch when things get tight you pass it to Danny Green who has maybe touched the ball once the whole game? And you do this to close out most games?
LeBron made it cool to be p*ssy and y'all ran with it. You want the plaudits then win the game yourself.
Thats a testament to Popavich as a coach and GM. TD was a role player during that whole era while Kobe was still a top 1-5 player in the NBA. That doesn't make TD better than Kobe from start to finish. Kobe played at a superstar level a lot longer than TD.
And you say TD beat the Pistons the year after Kobe lost to them, well I already broke down how shytty TD played that series and how Manu outplayed him by a wide margin in the Game 7 especially the 4th qtr. Yall give TD credit for his organization being ran better, that doesn't make TD the better player.
MJ was a superstar for all 6 of those wins, three peated twice and there was no doubt about it. TD was a role player half way through his career and never repeated. Yall stay giving TD credit for the front offices excellent work.
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valet
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I wish I could find the one where he shot over a triple team but I can't. I believe it was it '08. There are examples in here of bad shot selection. Not talking about him missing last second shots
Oh you mean the season where the Lakers were expected to be trash and Kobe had them #1 in the West half way through the season even before we got Pau? And he ended up winning MVP AND smacking the shyt out the Spurs in the WCFs? And the video does nothing to show Kobe's overall BBIQ. Do better.
valet
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I was just talking about him overall being known for BBIQ. But I'll
I leave that to the Lebron stans, fans to defend him.
Kobe going 0-3 in finals MVP playing with Shaq tells me what I need to know, Kobe was in not Duncan or Shaq’s league
Let me see Kobe win a finals playing with zero all stars
Let me see Kobe win a finals playing with zero all stars
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
As far as '08. Sure I agree. I was talking about a specific play though. The video shows his poor shot selection at times which what I said before I posted it.
The 2003 Nets didn't even win 50 games and had 1 all star just like the Spurs did. Only got to the Finals because the Lakers were dead tired. All that shyt is exaggerated people act like TD beat some all time great team by himself.
I wouldn’t say Timmy was a role player. Timmy was more of a team player than anything else. It’s why he was able to get to the finals in 2013 and 2014.
I do think it was a tossup between Manu and Timmy. You can say manu wasn’t selected
Idk about the spurs being run better. Timmy has been gone, and they haven’t been nearly as good as they were. Timmy was the reason everything worked so well. There’s a reason why pop says he’s nothing without Timmy.
Timmy was the better player because the teams he was on were almost ALWAYS in the mix with him on the teams. No matter how old he got, he was still an amazing defensive anchor.
