Who started the narrative that Lebron isn't clutch?

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I gave the exact numbers for the playoff game-winners, and he has the obvious advantage in percentage on all of them.


He has the advantage in percentage in the overall game-winners too, though at times the advantage is slight. I pointed that out, though I didn't give the numbers. You can test it yourself on basketball reference using the same criteria I did. I didn't go through all that because no one who serious doubts that is going to be convinced by even more numbers anyway.
no you didn't....


what i'm saying is you posted 30 game winning shots in 15 years (for example)


that's a false narrative


what the proper stats would be is: 30 game winning shots made out of 45 taken


in other words, if kobe only made 10 shots, but hit 8.... he would be more clutch than lebron making 20 shots shooting 60



 
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no you didn't....


what i'm saying is you posted 30 game winning shots in 15 years (for example)


that's a false narrative


what the proper stats would be is: 30 game winning shots made out of 45 taken


in other words, if kobe only made 10 shots, but hit 8.... he would be more clutch than lebron making 20 shots shooting 60





And nikkaz got the nerve to compare this roidhead to Kobe :scusthov:
 

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gee, i dont know :gucci:

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3 fmvps but he's not clutch :mjlol:

Game winner over kawai in 2013 but he aint clutch'' :mjlol:

''Bu bu ray allen saved lebron'' Ignoring the fact that lebron scored like 20 straight points in the 4th quarter to bring his team back and made a 3 prior to allen's :mjlol:


''bubu kyrie saved lebron'' Ignoring lebron making prob the best block in finals history and made back to back 3's prior to make it 89-89 :mjlol:


So we gonna act like blocks count as clutch baskets now??

:mjlol:
 

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Imo it's not about how many game winners LeBron has made, it's more about his WILLINGNESS to take that shot.

Alot of Bron apologists will point to him "making the right play" during those crunch time moments......which he has at times but there have also been times where he DEFERRED to a less talented player instead of taking over. Bron is getting better stepping up when he needs to, but he's not cut from the same cloth as a Jordan, Kobe, or even IT in Boston right now.

You gotta be born with that dawg in u and LeBron just doesn't have it. One instance that always stood out to me was when Lebron wouldnt take that shot against Kobe at the Allstar game



That clip says it all:manny:

If Bron had TRUE KILLER INSTINCT he would be practically unstoppable. He reminds me of the character Gladiator from Marvel....when Lebron is front running he's damn near unstoppable, but once a hint of doubt enters his mind he can crumble like he did in 2011.



Kobes sonning of Bron in allstar games used to make me cringe and I am a Kobe fan,

Slapping his ass in 2011



Yelling at him for not shooting in 2012



Blocking his shot twice in 2013





Three straight years of sonning another man brehs?

:lolbron:
 

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Also- Game 6 against Spurs, missed the tying 3, and had 2 crucial turnovers in final minutes of the game
-2009 when he put up empty stats and lost to Dwight Howard (same team Kobe took out in 5 games the next round)
-2015- empty stats against the warriors ,as he shot 29% in the 4th
-2016- Needed Kyrie to take all the big shots.

he has alot of these type of "wtf" are u doing moments, he's the Peyton Manning of the NBA. great regular season player, stat-padder, cant depend on him in the clutch when it matters most.


They try to gloss over the 2016 finals,but Kyrie did hit all the big shots irrc:sas2:
 

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Lebron basically got swept by a team Kobe dropped 62 on in 3 quarters. How you lose to the Mavs in your own city with Wade and Bosh on your team?

You Kobe Stans and your "alternative facts". :scust:

Lebron didn't get swept by no Dallas team, he took them to 6. And Kobe didn't drop 62 on that team, he DID get swept, and he was on the stacked defending champs.

You just tried to insult Lebron by falsely accusing him of failing in the exact way that Kobe DID fail.

How dumb is you? :mjgrin:

More importantly, how you a grown azz man with no jumpshot 10 years in the game?

If you can't do nothing but lie, your argument is ass. :usure:

Lebron wasn't no 10 years into the game, he was only 25 when that season started and had never had shyt for coaching. And within two years he'd be destroying San Antonio in Game 7 of the Finals with his jump shot.

That's how dominant he is that you reduced to these weak-ass arguments. One of the greatest passers in the game, a DPOY candidate, one of the best drivers and finishers ever, one of the clutches playoff performers by any measure. .. And all you're left with is trying to claim that at 25 a 270lb forward hadn't developed his jump shot fast enough, and even THAT was something he turned into a strength in time.
 
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You Kobe Stans and your "alternative facts". :scust:

Lebron didn't get swept by no Dallas team, he took them to 6. And Kobe didn't drop 62 on that team, he DID get swept, and he was on the stacked defending champs.

You just tried to insult Lebron by falsely accusing him of failing in the exact way that Kobe DID fail.

How dumb is you? :mjgrin:



If you can't do nothing but lie, your argument is ass. :usure:

Lebron wasn't no 10 years into the game, he was only 25 when that season started and had never had shyt for coaching. And within two years he'd be destroying San Antonio in Game 7 of the Finals with his jump shot.

That's how dominant he is that you reduced to these weak-ass arguments. One of the greatest passers in the game, a DPOY candidate, one of the best drivers and finishers ever, one of the clutches playoff performers by any measure. .. And all you're left with is trying to claim that at 25 a 270lb forward hadn't developed his jump shot fast enough, and even THAT was something he turned into a strength in time.
:laff:He actually tried to argue that the heat got swept and that Kobe dropped 62 on Dallas that season. The stupidity of Kobe stans will never fail to amaze me.
 

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no you didn't....


what i'm saying is you posted 30 game winning shots in 15 years (for example)


that's a false narrative


what the proper stats would be is: 30 game winning shots made out of 45 taken


in other words, if kobe only made 10 shots, but hit 8.... he would be more clutch than lebron making 20 shots shooting 60

So your argument is really going to be that Kobe must have been putting up fewer game-winning attempts than Bron? :gurl:

Ain't that the exact OPPOSITE of the shade you always trying to cast on him?

:mindblown:


And I DID post the attempts for the playof numbers. What part of 8-23 is better than 7-28, 5-12 is better than 2-12, and 4-7 is better than 1-4 can't you understand?

:martin:

Do you really want the regular season percentages too? Will you admit defeat then, or just move the goalposts again?


And posting random cherry-picked photos with random-ass criteria shows you know you lost. Why only those 3-year or ten-year intervals, why not whole career? Why only post regular season and not playoffs? Why final 10 seconds, a totally random ass number, instead of final 24 or 5 or 2 or 1? Because you have to come up with all sorts of meaningless qualifications to make Lebron look bad.

"Lebron sucks in the clutch if you ignore the playoffs and cherry-picked a random time interval and distort the criteria to avoid counting as many of his shots as possible. "

:pachaha:
 

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So your argument is really going to be that Kobe must have been putting up fewer game-winning attempts than Bron? :gurl:

Ain't that the exact OPPOSITE of the shade you always trying to cast on him?

:mindblown:


And I DID post the attempts for the playof numbers. What part of 8-23 is better than 7-28, 5-12 is better than 2-12, and 4-7 is better than 1-4 can't you understand?

:martin:

Do you really want the regular season percentages too? Will you admit defeat then, or just move the goalposts again?


And posting random cherry-picked photos with random-ass criteria shows you know you lost. Why only those 3-year or ten-year intervals, why not whole career? Why only post regular season and not playoffs? Why final 10 seconds, a totally random ass number, instead of final 24 or 5 or 2 or 1? Because you have to come up with all sorts of meaningless qualifications to make Lebron look bad.

"Lebron sucks in the clutch if you ignore the playoffs and cherry-picked a random time interval and distort the criteria to avoid counting as many of his shots as possible. "

:pachaha:
breh you realize "clutch" shots isn't a real stat right? so i was posting an example of what i was talking about.. it doesn't matter who MAKES the most clutch shots... it matters who shoots them at a higher percentage... that is my only point

when the game is on the line... do you want the guy shooting who made them at 70% rate or the guy who made them at 10% rate (again examples, not actual numbers)

that's a better barometer of who is more clutch than.... oh this guy made 30 and this guy made 40... with no information on how many attempts it took them to get to those numbers



as for kobe vs bron... i could give a fukk less... i'm an 80s baby... i stick with MJ.. i hated kobe when he played, i was an AI fan.. so i have no reason to have this debate of who shoots more or better


the question goes back to WHY DO PEOPLE THINK LEBRON IS NOT CLUTCH

in my very first reply, i answered... because stats show with the game on the line, his shot percentage on that last shot is terrible.. add in the mavs series... and add in all the times he passed the ball away on the last shot


that is WHY... it wasn't made out of thin air... has he changed it a lot? yes... but lets not act like he himself did not say he was different from jordan and kobe and didn't demand the ball... he said he would always make the right basketball play..


that's his own words... other people were like "nah fukk that.. give me the ball and i'm gonna do this shyt"
 

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in my very first reply, i answered... because stats show with the game on the line, his shot percentage on that last shot is terrible.. add in the mavs series... and add in all the times he passed the ball away on the last shot

But his shot percentage ISN'T terrible. That's a bullshyt claim made from making up a bunch of random-ass qualifications, like refusing to count his playoff game-winners and only counting part of his career and using an arbitrary criteria for time remaining.

I asked you once: if I proved that his game-winning shot-making was NOT awful, for his whole career by any objective criteria, would you shut up? Or would you just move the goalposts?

Kobe is considered "clutch", and over their entire careers Lebron has made a better percentage of his game-winning shots. So you're absolutely wrong by the EXACT criteria that you proposed yourself.

And claiming that Lebron only makes more because he has more attempts AND claiming that he passes it away too much is just dumb and contradictory as fukk.
 
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