Who was greater, Philip II or Alexander the Great?

[shopthatwrecks]

piye..n the rest of the kings/pharoahs in the 25th dynasty >>>>>> them 2 sassy fakkits

 

[Smashius Clay]

Phillip built his empire from nothing. Just for that he gets more respect in my book.

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

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interesting subject because Alex killed his friend who felt Alex’s father, Phillip was greater than he was.

The friend was a man (and officer) named Cleitus the Black. While in Turkey, Cleitus saved Alex’s life in a battle: in the midst of the battle of Granicus, Alex was fighting on horse against two Persian lords who were brothers. Alex killed one brother but the other brother struck Alex on his head with a sword which broke his plumed helmet. The blow stunned Alex and when the Persian raised his hand again to kill him, Cleitus rode up and cut the arm off of the Persian.

One day while Alex and his friends were drinking wine and chilling, Cleitus and Alex got into an argument; Alex wanted Cletus to go on a mission elsewhere, but Cleitus didn’t want to leave his friend’s side and become forgotten.

The argument grew heated and Alex began to boast of his accomplishments to which Cleitus replied it is because of his father, Phillip, that he was able to do so much. Alex asked for his guards to remove Cleitus from the room, but the guards didn’t want to intervene between the two close friends. So Alex threw an apple at Cleitus’ head and called for a dagger to which no one obviously gave to him in a drunken state. Cleitus ended up leaving but came back to talk more shyt, so Alex, enraged, picked up a spear and threw it thru his friend’s heart. Afterwards Alex went into a deep depression over it as him and Cleitus were very close. Cleitus’ sister was Alex’s nurse.


they put that story in the movie



EDIT: I personally like Alex over his father. I remember reading a story how Alex was the first over a fortress’s walls fighting. Dude was always in the front.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Phillip built his empire from nothing. Just for that he gets more respect in my book.

nikka got killed by the dikk he was fukkin




how pausanias came off them steps

 

[CopiousX]

There’s a Jewish historian who mentioned that Alexander visited Jersusalem and was given prophecy from the book of Daniel that prophecied his earthly ambitions, he was awestruck and even sacrificed an animal towards the God of Jerusalem as an act of respect

Alexander was notoriously superstitious and often prayed to all and every God, as most Greeks did. You see him hedging his bets in Turkey with their Gods and the Gordian knot in a similar way. He did the same thing in Egypt with the Oracle of Amun-Ra. But the oracle curved his asss and refused to see him. Between queen Candace stopping his advance into Subsaharan Africa and this Oracle, Alexander had legendarily bad luck with African Women.

@CopiusX dope points! But I dunno..say if any of us on the coli were in Alexander's shoes and we had the same training, etc,etc. If you put anyone on the coli in ALexander's place would we all accomplish all the things he did as well?

Oddly enough I could see @Jesus is my protector , @xCivicx , and even Skeets (I purposely picked different personalities) doing pretty well with those advantages. .



And honestly, it’s not just the training per say. Alexander didn’t exactly go to his local community college to get certs. He was given revolutionary concepts. Philip II’s phalanx formation was the organizational equivalent of a nuclearBomb. Especially on the remnants of Persia’s dying empire. It’d be like asking, “ how would a coliBreh do in 1944 with an A-bomb?” Or asking, “how would [insert coli poster here] do in 1492 with a sub-machine gun?” Coli-Brehs would clean the field in both scenarios.

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

Voting for Alex off the strength of my nikka @Alexander The Great

 

[Dave24]

Alexander was notoriously superstitious and often prayed to all and every God, as most Greeks did. You see him hedging his bets in Turkey with their Gods and the Gordian knot in a similar way. He did the same thing in Egypt with the Oracle of Amun-Ra. But the oracle curved his asss and refused to see him. Between queen Candace stopping his advance into Subsaharan Africa and this Oracle, Alexander had legendarily bad luck with African Women.




Oddly enough I could see @Jesus is my protector , @xCivicx , and even Skeets (I purposely picked different personalities) doing pretty well with those advantages. .



And honestly, it’s not just the training per say. Alexander didn’t exactly go to his local community college to get certs. He was given revolutionary concepts. Philip II’s phalanx formation was the organizational equivalent of a nuclearBomb. Especially on the remnants of Persia’s dying empire. It’d be like asking, “ how would a coliBreh do in 1944 with an A-bomb?” Or asking, “how would [insert coli poster here] do in 1492 with a sub-machine gun?” Coli-Brehs would clean the field in both scenarios.

Dope that makes sense! If philip and alexander were alive in today society what do you think they would try to do? How would they go about trying to conquer the world?

 

[Alexander The Great]

Voting for Alex off the strength of my nikka @Alexander The Great

 

[SupremexKing]

let's not forget that most of these greeks were fags.

great civilization in terms of civilizing their portion of the world, but fags nonetheless. particularly of the pederast sort.

and logically yes, Alexander was great and accomplished many feats of his own, but he would not have been where he was without his father. he inherited a strong army and nation. it'd boil down to who could best the other in single combat at their prime, and i feel like it would go to alexander given his feats.

the kind of access he had to training both of the physical, mental and spiritual were top tier, and could make a chad/jerome out of any non-incompetent man.

imagine being fukking schooled by Aristotle.

 

[Ya Sinning Mane]

These made up characters y’all on about

and y’all wanna trash the Bible so much

Just like them made up statues they call philosophers that stole these famous quotes from African proverbs and threw a body and story together calling it HIStory

 

[CopiousX]

Dope that makes sense! If philip and alexander were alive in today society what do you think they would try to do? How would they go about trying to conquer the world?

I hate prison babble, so I don’t often engage in it, because it distracts black people from solving their real world problems. But I will humor you.



If they are starting in the Greece of today Philip must do extra work. And they better tag a “great” to the end of his name afterwards.In their era, Greece and Macedon were comparable to Italy (9th largest economy and huge exporter) today or the Germany of the 1880s in productive capacity. That same productive capacity is what held the unified Greece together and financed Alexander’s eastern march.


With debts and all, their first problem is resources. Greece is wreck today and makes nothing of substance for the world. So Philip must first build an economy from scratch. He must put on the hat of, Singapore’s first PM ,Lee Kuan Yew, and sell ga lot more of whatever they already produce (fish in modern Greece) then funnel the proceeds and astronomical amounts of government assets into national conglomerates and build his economic base.




From there it depends on whether he would like to be peaceful or not. Philip honestly resembles both Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck and Napoleon in the way he stitched Greece together ,

‘If he is peaceful then

• he can put on the hat of Otto Von Bismarck(dude who put Germany together) and cut deals to unite Europe as a forward operating base for the world.
• You see his peacefulness in the truces and alliances he fostered

In a warlike state,

• he resembles Napoleon who never actually invented anything, but was brilliant at rearranging variables already on the field.
• Napoleon redefined artillery usage until this day, much the way Philip revolutionized formation with the Phalnax.
• Since war today is about air supremacy, I could see Philip reorganizing fighterjet formations, or coming up with a strategy to make enemy aircraft inoperable. This would give him an edge over every current military power

From there, Alexander just puts the key in the ignition of the car Philip has already built. I could see him once again taking 90% of the world but still drinking himself to death in Mumbai again.

 

[GatorStaceyAdams]

Alexander and Ghengis Khan are universally considered the most prolific conquerors known to man. Not really up for debate.

 

[CopiousX]

Alexander and Ghengis Khan are universally considered the most prolific conquerors known to man. Not really up for debate.

Khan (and his family) were goddamm demons.



Alex was mainly taking on unoccupied lands and unorganized people. I believe the Egyptians and Turks let him in solely because they hated Persia. Alex had trouble with the only two organized, and heavily populated areas he encountered (Northern India and SubSaharan Africa). If breh had went further East, the organized Chinese state would have his head on a stick.




Khan, on the other hand ,was on some StarWars Darth Vader type conquest. He took on the Byzantines in their prime and won. He took on Muhammad (yes that one) in his prime and won. He took on 66% of China proper and won. He took on Muslim Iran in its prime and won. He took 30% of India before he died. I believe his sons took on the rest of Eastern Europe, India, and China.




I had never been so happy the Sahara existed than when I first read about this man.

 

[Sukairain]

I can't see Philip being good enough to do what Alexander did. He just didn't have the skill. Nobody rates him when they discuss the great commanders of the ancient warfare.

Some fool here said all Alexander had to do was turn the ignition. Right. So Ayrton Senna deserves no credit at all for being in the top 3 best race car drivers of all time. All the credit should go to Honda for building the engine that powered his race cars. Because that's what this is you know. Philip is some nerd engineer sitting in an office somewhere who designed a decent Formula 1 racecar. Great. Those are a fukking dime a dozen. Nobody cares who the fukking engineer is it's one thing to build a car, it's another thing entirely to be able to drive it at 230 mph, always pick the perfect line through the corners, always know exactly where the braking points are and where you can get back full throttle, be perfect at every single gear change, be perfect at overtaking and at defending your position. Nobody in the whole world thinks the engineer who built the car deserves even a fraction of the credit and the plaudits as does the guy who races the car and wins the races too; and rightly so because they don't deserve it

 

[Black Nate Grey]

I don't know. Phillip literally set Alexander up in way that I've never seen before. He reorganized the military, introduced new tactics and weaponry that Alexander was able to use to great effect.

If I want a conqueror than Alexander.

If I want a statesman, probably Phillip.

This is a feelings based thing and not really based on facts, just a hunch.

I don't have a deep knowledge of them to conclusively say unfortunately.