Who was greater, Philip II or Alexander the Great?

Who was greater overall?

  • Philip II of Macedonia

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • Alexander the Great

    Votes: 15 71.4%

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Dave24

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I don’t know about that. You realize Alexander was a 20 year old kid when Phillip died right? That’s a college sophomore. He didn’t build anything. His dad’s phalanx was already perfected. His dad’s generals (Parmenion, Cleitus, Antigonus One Eye, Antipater) were hardbody and they helped Alexander win his battles. Think of it like Robb Stark in Game of Thrones with Robb being Alexander and the Northern lords like the Umbers, Manderlys, Mormonts, Glovers and the Karstarks being the older generals from Ned Stark’s (Phillip) era who held him down army wise. Also, Phillip invented the Sarissa which was a longer spear in comparison to most armies so it made their phalanx nearly unbeatable since they could stab nikkas from further away. Lastly, Alexander’s main strategy was to try to divide the opposing army. He’d try to rush his wing of the army to the right side of the field hoping the opposite side would follow leaving their army stretched thin. This is where those older generals like Antipater and Parmenion were so valuable because they had to hold the left side of the field by themselves while Alexander’s side tried to the circle/flank the opponent. Then Alexander would rush back over to the center of the field before the other side could and break through the middle of their army. Then it was over. He did this verbatim in like 3 battles. Phillip used the same strategy before so he picked that up from his father. Basically Alexander was great of course but you can’t shyt on his dad. His dad gave him an army, a powerful country with endless resources to start with, control of Greece, a top class education and loyal generals (well loyal as long as it benefited them :lolbron:) who could help him win battles. If he didn’t inherit that at 20, he would’ve spent another 20 to 25 years building up to just get to that point like Phillip and we might’ve never heard the name Alexander because he might’ve died of the flu/fever that killed him before he got the chance to go to Asia. Basically Phillip put in the ground work that allowed Alexander to be able to go off and conquer the world. That’s what Cleitus was talking about when Alexander was talking about his father wasn’t shyt compared to him when his father gave him the ancient equivalent of a billion dollar trust fund :stopitslime:


@Cory Matthews was Philip II of Macedon the equivalent of a billionaire in our day in terms of how much wealth/power he had when he was living?
 

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I'm an ambitious individual and want to become a modern day Philip II of Macedon and carve out an empire from scratch like he did.

Even though the world is different now than it was back in his day, how can I accomplish that? What career path/steps do I need to do to get from where I'm at currently to what Phillip became at the height of his power??

I am 34 years old and work a minimum wage job at a restaurant and still live with my mother. I have a two year degree in Business Management and 60,000 in student loan debt I need to repay back.

Would y'all recommend I join the air force and work my way up?? what steps do I need to take??

I dont see how someone could be Philip, Alexander, Ghengis Khan, Tamerlane, Shaka Zulu or any historic conqueror in today's world tbh. The modern day equivalent's of those conqueror's are pretty much Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos, multi millionaire/ billionaire ceo's, etc. They conquered the world but through economic means instead of actually on the battlefield. They have the same mentality as conqueror's; showing no mercy to rival businesses who get in their way, always trying to expand their businesses throughout the world, using the money they make to buy off politican's, etc. In the modern world, running up into someone else's land and killing off everyone and naming yourself king, isn't really possible like the way it was back then. It's kind of ironic though the whole running into other people's land and killing them and naming yourself king was commonplace up until around the start of the 1900s.
 

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I dont see how someone could be Philip, Alexander, Ghengis Khan, Tamerlane, Shaka Zulu or any historic conqueror in today's world tbh. The modern day equivalent's of those conqueror's are pretty much Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos, multi millionaire/ billionaire ceo's, etc. They conquered the world but through economic means instead of actually on the battlefield. They have the same mentality as conqueror's; showing no mercy to rival businesses who get in their way, always trying to expand their businesses throughout the world, using the money they make to buy off politican's, etc. In the modern world, running up into someone else's land and killing off everyone and naming yourself king, isn't really possible like the way it was back then. It's kind of ironic though the whole running into other people's land and killing them and naming yourself king was commonplace up until around the start of the 1900s.

Dope post! What about being president of the united states or king of saudi arabia? Or world political leaders?
 

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Thread popped into my mind. Alexander the Great is possibly the most revered being in human history. He's literally your favorite historical hero's hero. Hannibal (Africa), Julius Ceasar (Rome), Hitler (Germany), Alauddin Khalji (India), Napoleon Bonaparte (France), Augustus (Rome), Pyyrhus (Greece) and countless other top generals in history looked up to him. I dont think Greece is the greatest empire of all time, its not even close and if anything its overrated because cacs love hyping it so much. But Alexander's feats has put him down has easily the greatest conqueror of all time (or second if you choose Ghengis Khan). To this day military academies still study his tactics despite the fact he lived over 2000 years ago.
 

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Thread popped into my mind. Alexander the Great is possibly the most revered being in human history. He's literally your favorite historical hero's hero. Hannibal (Africa), Julius Ceasar (Rome), Hitler (Germany), Alauddin Khalji (India), Napoleon Bonaparte (France), Augustus (Rome), Pyyrhus (Greece) and countless other top generals in history looked up to him. I dont think Greece is the greatest empire of all time, its not even close and if anything its overrated because cacs love hyping it so much. But Alexander's feats has put him down has easily the greatest conqueror of all time (or second if you choose Ghengis Khan). To this day military academies still study his tactics despite the fact he lived over 2000 years ago.

What do you consider the greatest empires of all time?
 

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What do you consider the greatest empires of all time?
Kingdom of Kush, Kingdom of Ghana, Kingdom of Egypt were all black kingdoms that were considered by the people that visited them in their prime; some of the richest lands to ever grace the face of the planet:ohlawd:. With that being said they were more so large kingdoms and not really "empires empires". In terms of straight up empires maybe Persian empire, Rome or the Ottomans or British.
 

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I don’t know about that. You realize Alexander was a 20 year old kid when Phillip died right? That’s a college sophomore. He didn’t build anything. His dad’s phalanx was already perfected. His dad’s generals (Parmenion, Cleitus, Antigonus One Eye, Antipater) were hardbody and they helped Alexander win his battles. Think of it like Robb Stark in Game of Thrones with Robb being Alexander and the Northern lords like the Umbers, Manderlys, Mormonts, Glovers and the Karstarks being the older generals from Ned Stark’s (Phillip) era who held him down army wise. Also, Phillip invented the Sarissa which was a longer spear in comparison to most armies so it made their phalanx nearly unbeatable since they could stab nikkas from further away. Lastly, Alexander’s main strategy was to try to divide the opposing army. He’d try to rush his wing of the army to the right side of the field hoping the opposite side would follow leaving their army stretched thin. This is where those older generals like Antipater and Parmenion were so valuable because they had to hold the left side of the field by themselves while Alexander’s side tried to the circle/flank the opponent. Then Alexander would rush back over to the center of the field before the other side could and break through the middle of their army. Then it was over. He did this verbatim in like 3 battles. Phillip used the same strategy before so he picked that up from his father. Basically Alexander was great of course but you can’t shyt on his dad. His dad gave him an army, a powerful country with endless resources to start with, control of Greece, a top class education and loyal generals (well loyal as long as it benefited them :lolbron:) who could help him win battles. If he didn’t inherit that at 20, he would’ve spent another 20 to 25 years building up to just get to that point like Phillip and we might’ve never heard the name Alexander because he might’ve died of the flu/fever that killed him before he got the chance to go to Asia. Basically Phillip put in the ground work that allowed Alexander to be able to go off and conquer the world. That’s what Cleitus was talking about when Alexander was talking about his father wasn’t shyt compared to him when his father gave him the ancient equivalent of a billion dollar trust fund :stopitslime:

Joe Kennedy Sr gave JFK a billion dollar trust fund I'm guessing.
 

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Just the fact Phillip didn't recognize Alexander was the heir to the throne makes him appear foolish.

He set Alexander up with the finest tutors,education and military training you could get..yet for some reason wouldn't defend Alexander right to the throne .
 
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