"Whoever came up with the Decison to beat Goldberg? That was bad. Whoever OK'd it..

[Silkk]

1) The nWo wave had been died down when Nash was still a part of it. It had nothing to do with him leaving. the nWo Black and White was just corny at that point. the Wolfpack was just an extension of the original group and the cooler members just moved over there. And you're further proving my point because again Nash was a part of a hot group at the time. It was a combination of Nash with Hall with Savage with Luger that made it look cool, then Sting joining was icing on the cake. Nash BY HIMSELF never drew a dime. Every individual member of the Wolfpack was needed in order for it to flourish. The whole was far greater than the sum of its parts.

2) No way! You're clearly going off only crowd reaction. Crowd reaction doesn't make money. By that assessment Dean Ambrose is hotter than John Cena. Goldberg was the only one besides Hogan at that time selling out house shows and generating huge revenue on multiple fronts. Goldberg. Not the Wolfpack. The Wolfpack was the equivalent to DX as Goldberg was to Austin. They were secondary draws. They weren't the headliners.

3) Agreed

4) That's my point, there was no need or reason for him to lose at that point period. It's not as if Goldberg had to be beaten at that time, he didn't. I'm not saying there was a better option at that moment, I'm saying there was no option at that moment that would make sense. Anyone beating Goldberg at that time was a wrong move. Whether it was Nash or Sting or Benoit. Nobody should have beat Goldberg in that time, that's my point. Nash was head booker at the time and wanted to end the streak. Just like how during his run towards Starrcade, he beat Wrath, who was hot at the time and on a winning streak. And Nash ended that for literally no reason. Just bad booking.

1. Savage & Sting weren't in the Wolfpack during the entire run and they remained hot as ever. In December it was only Nash, K-Dogg, & Luger left

2. Except they were. They had four former World champions in their group. DX was a midcard comedy act. And Ambrose doesn't get Cena type reactions, shyt be dead quiet when he's out there most times.

4. Nash wasn't the booker yet, and Goldberg had to lose eventually just like Austin did. WWE had much better storylines when Austin was chasing Rock/Taker/Vince for the belt. They knew he couldn't hold it forever because that would get boring, just like it did with Goldberg. He never had storylines he just mowed people down, after 2 years they had to do something else.

 

[Silkk]

Stop going off crowd reaction. It doesn't matter how much the crowd "cheered" for things. Cheers doesnt draw money. It matters what they PAID for not what they cheered for. Goldberg was the biggest draw in the company at the time by far. Fans were still spending lots of money on tickets to see him. He was drawing a lot of revenue from merchandise as well.

And it shows that Goldberg on top was right and anybody else was wrong because WCW made 100 Million dollars in 1998, their most profitable year. The very next year, they were millions of dollars in the red. Soon as Goldberg was no longer seen as "the guy" the company went to shyt.

Or because Russo came in and booking also went to shyt

And how are you discerning between who & what drew when most times the Main eventers would take off PPVs & Nitros, and some hardly ever worked house shows

 

[FreshAIG]

Or because Russo came in and booking also went to shyt

And how are you discerning between who & what drew when most times the Main eventers would take off PPVs & Nitros, and some hardly ever worked house shows

Russo didn't come in until September or October of 1999. WCW by that point was losing money at a historic rate. They brought Russo in as a desperate attempt to save themselves. The shyt was finish by then

Go read Death of WCW and look at house show attendance and buy rates. It's all readily available online. Goldberg was by far their biggest draw it wasn't even close. Only person drawing on Goldberg level at the time in wrestling was Austin and there was a period when Goldberg was even slightly a head of him.

 

[Silkk]

Russo didn't come in until September or October of 1999. WCW by that point was losing money at a historic rate. They brought Russo in as a desperate attempt to save themselves. The shyt was finish by then

Go read Death of WCW and look at house show attendance and buy rates. It's all readily available online. Goldberg was by far their biggest draw it wasn't even close. Only person drawing on Goldberg level at the time in wrestling was Austin and there was a period when Goldberg was even slightly a head of him.

Oh i'm not saying Russo was alone in the trash booking, shyt had already started going south that December

 

[FreshAIG]

1. Savage & Sting weren't in the Wolfpack during the entire run and they remained hot as ever. In December it was only Nash, K-Dogg, & Luger left

2. Except they were. They had four former World champions in their group. DX was a midcard comedy act. And Ambrose doesn't get Cena type reactions, shyt be dead quiet when he's out there most times.

4. Nash wasn't the booker yet, and Goldberg had to lose eventually just like Austin did. WWE had much better storylines when Austin was chasing Rock/Taker/Vince for the belt. They knew he couldn't hold it forever because that would get boring, just like it did with Goldberg. He never had storylines he just mowed people down, after 2 years they had to do something else.

1) their hottest run was when Sting was apart of it. You're going off fan reaction and not drawing money when you say "hot".

2) lol no they were not, go show me the PPV were the Wolfpack was the headline. Go find them.

3) Nash became part of the booking committee in WCW in November of 1998. Said it out his own mouth.

 

[Silkk]

1) their hottest run was when Sting was apart of it. You're going off fan reaction and not drawing money when you say "hot".

2) lol no they were not, go show me the PPV were the Wolfpack was the headline. Go find them.

3) Nash became part of the booking committee in WCW in November of 1998. Said it out his own mouth.

1. You're gonna need to provide receipts then. When hall did his surveys it sure seemed that everybody came to see that "lame Wolfpack" and based on the number of Red & Black in the crowd before & after Sting. Their hottest run was with Sting no doubt.

2. Sting & Giant vs The Outsiders
Sting vs Giant headlined the GAB
Wargames
And of course Starrcade

Goldberg only headlined with DDP & Nash. Otherwise he was off the card or underneath.

3. Receipts? Cause from the shoots and books i've read/heard Nash, Bret, Bischoff all say he got the book in Feb. of 99

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Nash & The Wolfpack were just as hot if not hotter than Goldberg.

they were hotter with some of the smarks maybe but the overall viewing and paying audience at large was still riding with goldberg.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

edit: wrong thread

 

[jadillac]

And? Like I said Nash never drew a dime as a solo act.

Nash never drew a dime, but Diesel did.

 

[Silkk]

they were hotter with some of the smarks maybe but the overall viewing and paying audience at large was still riding with goldberg.

ok

 

[R=G]

1. If that was true then the original nWo wouldn't have went to shyt when Nash left. Became so trash that Hogan forced his way into the Wolfpack.

2. Nash & The Wolfpack were just as hot if not hotter than Goldberg.

3. 100% agree, that could have been a Starrcade trilogy even bigger than Austin/Rock. Sting was out with personal issues.

4. Nash had never been champ in WCW, there was no one at that time better suited to beat Goldberg. The crowd wanted, everybody wanted it.

Wolfpack got great crowd reactions..but they weren't ruling the world in 98 like Goldberg and Austin were. DX was a hot stable in 98 but they were never bigger than Austin in 98 or 99. Not even close.

 

[R=G]

Yeah never understood Nash winning being a mistake the crowd was red hot and Goldberg and the streak were getting stale. I remember how hot the crowd got when DDP hit em with the

The follow up was just dumb giving Hoegan the belt back I think it could've worked out with Nash as a legit champ Nash was red hot over at that time just laying down devalued him and the title. Hoegan was corny as fukk in the red and black took swag levels to -50 then they booted K-Dawg and Buff then Hoegan goes Hoegan and starts trying to be cool face 2 months later sabotaging the whole damn thing.

You may have felt it was stale but Goldberg was out drawing everyone in WCW second half of 98. That's why he got heat by the time the Nash match happened.

 

[R=G]

Nash never drew a dime, but Diesel did.

Lol

 

[jadillac]

You may have felt it was stale but Goldberg was out drawing everyone in WCW second half of 98. That's why he got heat by the time the Nash match happened.

So by this logic you should have no probs with Cena.

 

[R=G]

So by this logic you should have no probs with Cena.

He's not breaking records or drawing like that. Never has. He's never been successful on PPV except for the Rock's return to WM to wrestle. Last time he drew big before that was at WM 22 in Chicago when he the real talk of the business at the time.

U people think crowd reactions meant they were drawing. Alot of unintelligent posters at this site believe, till this very day, that Rock was STALE in 2002 because of the NY and Canada reactions at WM 18 and Summerslam. No he wasn't. Nobody was touching the Rock as an all around performer nor as a draw. Not even close. He worked like 60% of the year and outdrew everyone...Cripple H's big return, Hogan's big return, nwo return, Lesnar, Austin during his WHAT phase. But people thought since two arenas flipped that they didn't pay money to see him. Wrong. Records were broken and Rock had better buy rates and sell outs than anyone at the time...which was why they went Rock/Hogan above the Austin match and why Austin waa used as a buffer to put over Lesnar just so he could face Rock for the Undisputed title.