Whoopi says the Holocaust wasnt about race...“2 groups of white people"

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Yeah someone made an apt comparison earlier in the thread between the Rwandan genocide and the Holocaust. It would be silly to suggest that since one group referred to the other as a race they wished to exterminate, that we should all go along with that convention of what race is.
 

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@Sccit hispanic isn't a race, hasn't been, and never will be.
Every group under that "banner" fought to be white.
That "banner" didn't exist until 1980 - for scam/benefit purposes.
Kinda like jews and arabs saying "stop the bus, hey we're not exactly WHITE-WHITE" around the same time.
FOR BENEFITS.
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Y’all tlrepublicans ignore actual Nazis sitting in office, give Trump and his white supremacist cronies a pass, then make up shyt about Chicano and Jewish activists, even though both were involved in the civil rights movements.

fukking retards
 

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Yeah someone made an apt comparison earlier in the thread between the Rwandan genocide and the Holocaust. It would be silly to suggest that since one group referred to the other as a race they wished to exterminate, that we should all go along with that convention of what race is.
Wrong. Race itself is a social construct. The Holocaust wasn’t just about exterminating Jews, it was about exterminating all “non-aryan races”. You can do both. You can deny the Nazis belief in an aryan race, and still say the Holocaust was racially motivated - because it fukking was, even if their concept of race was skewed. The same way you can say scientific racism is racist even though their conceptions of race are fukking dumb.

Humans evolved out of Africa, every human being is from Africa and by default, African. So are you going to say slavery wasn’t racially motivated because the white slave owners were African, and therefore couldn’t be racist against their own race? fukking no, because that argument would be retarded.


The real question is, what the fukk are you all arguing for? Like why is this the hill y’all are jumping to die on. Not only is it stupid and wrong from a scientific/historical perspective, It’s downplaying the severity of the Holocaust and trying to make it seem like just another war, when in reality there were centuries of racist and anti-Semitic rhetoric behind it.

The first ghettoes were made specifically for Jews. They were the first race (or whatever the fukk you want to call it) to be segregated. All the shyt white supremacists in America did under Jim Crow was directly influenced by European treatment of Jews. So even if you don’t think Jews aren’t a “race” (which goes against the tons of scientific evidence showing their genetic identify) who gives a fukk? If splitting hairs between race, ethnicity, whatever is the conversation that the Holocaust makes you bring up, and not the discussion of fascist white supremacy which continues to fukk over this planet, you’re fukking lost.
 

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Wrong. Race itself is a social construct. The Holocaust wasn’t just about exterminating Jews, it was about exterminating all “non-aryan races”. You can do both. You can deny the Nazis belief in an aryan race, and still say the Holocaust was racially motivated - because it fukking was, even if their concept of race was skewed. The same way you can say scientific racism is racist even though their conceptions of race are fukking dumb.

It sounds like you're suggesting that because its a social construct, its a concept so fluid that we cant come to consensus on its definition. At least for us layman, i think its fairly agreed to be along the lines of shared ancestry and physical characteristics. Maybe in the halls of academia, we can start splitting hairs.

Humans evolved out of Africa, every human being is from Africa and by default, African. So are you going to say slavery wasn’t racially motivated because the white slave owners were African, and therefore couldn’t be racist against their own race? fukking no, because that argument would be retarded.
Now, youre the one being obtuse.


The real question is, what the fukk are you all arguing for? Like why is this the hill y’all are jumping to die on. Not only is it stupid and wrong from a scientific/historical perspective, It’s downplaying the severity of the Holocaust and trying to make it seem like just another war, when in reality there were centuries of racist and anti-Semitic rhetoric behind it.

I dont think anyone is downplaying the severity. I think the number of casualties is the key indicator of its severity and numbers dont lie. Do you think comparing the holocaust and the rwandan genoicide is somehow downplaying it. Its just to illustrate that its an ethnic conflict rather than a racial one. The disagreement here is hinged on how we categorize race
 

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Same people shytting on Jews are the ones saying ADOS is indigenous to America, Native Americans are frauds, and African immigrants are tethers.

This fakkit all in this thread throwing a whole temper tantrum because white supremacy is being called out

He got way too comfortable to the point he’s comparing ADOS to white supremacists

How does he constantly get banned for letting his racism slip out like he’s doing all in this thread but it only results in a temp ban? :gucci:

But perma bans get handed out for so much less? :mjpls:

Most of us here been agreeing for years he need to be permanently banned from this site meanwhile posters we actually like get banned for good :gucci:

Rest of y’all wilding if y’all really see how he behaving in this thread, going extra hard at black people while defending white supremacy and not reporting these posts :ufdup:

@Houston911 get this guy outta here :camby:
 
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Basic Nazi ideology 101. No Nazi viewed a Jew or Slav as "Aryan" (i.e what they considered acceptable whiteness).

Looking at Nazi ideology through an American lens and concluding both groups were white is irrelevant to how the actual Nazis viewed Jews

They viewed the Jews as subhuman deserving of extermination.

Whoopi is not a 13 year old kid. She should have known better not to mention the "H" word. Unless she's was trolling for attention or looking to be an agent of chaos
 

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Basic Nazi ideology 101. No Nazi viewed a Jew or Slav as "Aryan" (i.e what they considered acceptable whiteness).

Looking at Nazi ideology through an American lens and concluding both groups were white is irrelevant to how the actual Nazis viewed Jews

They viewed the Jews as subhuman deserving of extermination.

Whoopi is not a 13 year old kid. She should have known better not to mention the "H" word. Unless she's was trolling for attention or looking to be an agent of chaos
She should have known it's touchy subject in today's society. but outrage alone doesn't make you incorrect. Several people have posted videos made by Jewish stating themselves that Jew's are not a race.
At the very least we can say this is in dispute
 

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I wish she would've said she didn't know the complete definition of race, said "My bad" and kept it moving. Hell, on every survey and forms asking about your race, I've never seen "Jewish" listed. All that other extra stuff she said was unnecessary. Black people gotta stop kissing the ring.
 

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Most bizarre part of these threads/conversations is how black people be offended on behalf of Jews :dwillhuh:

Just repeating whatever you think makes you look “woke” :hhh:

@GPBear negged me for this comment

This racist white piece of shyt called a black man a Nazi for saying black people need to fight our own battles :mjpls:

where do you stand on reparations?

Notice how he completely ignored this :mjpls:
ORIGINAL JEWS WERE MIZRAHI JEWS

THE JEWS WHO SETTLED IN EUROPE WERE STILL DISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE GERMANS THO

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You just posted 2 white people :dwillhuh:

I don’t even know which one is supposed to be the German :gucci:
There were also light skinned black people who passed as white to avoid racism. Are you saying black people are white people too? :mjlol:

this is how retarded this threads argument is. It’s the same as saying “slavery wasn’t about race, because there were white-passing black people :troll:

again, one of the stupidest threads I’ve seen on here.

How y’all really letting this racist fakkit get away with this? :gucci:

First he says black Americans are no better than white supremacists :mjpls:

Now he downplaying slavery to make his bullshyt ass point :mjpls:
 
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