Who's got the goat post up game?

[Supreme365]

Spoiler

No other player has had the footwork, counters, strength, shot package, mentality/exigency, all from the low, mid and high-post; let alone done it during a period where zone-defense was in play (which makes it harder since you're not just spamming 1v1 weakside possessions) against the best defenders and most-advanced schemes in history (up to that point).

Kobe was nasty in the post, but I always find it funny when people say no one else did it like Kobe as if Jordan didn’t do the same moves first and better

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I like aytons post moves ots but penny had an underrated post game for a gaurd

Penny's a good one.In my time/guys I've seen with my own 2 eyes..

Hakeem's the best.Pound for pound? I'd say Charles Barkley.

It's amazing what he was able to do at his size.Not as tall as MJ & Kobe

but he could back down legit PF/C's with ease

 

[Dog Based Gremlin]

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Shaq's definitely up there, somewhere, but he was allowed to get away with offensive fouls on the regular. He wouldn't be allowed to get away with half the shyt today, shyt, even back in the 60s, 70s and some of the 80s too.

To an extent, but his being so big kinda forced the issue. How do you properly officiate a guy who’s 7’1 and played above 310 even as a rookie though? At some point you have to let the man play, otherwise you’re essentially punishing him for being too big and strong. Dwight used to get that a lot and he was playing a good 50 pounds lighter for most of his career than even rookie Shaq. By the time he reached Los Angeles he was at least 330. On most nights he had at least 60-70 pounds on his matchup. Just by default he’s gonna punish whoever is matched up.

 

[LeMAO]

Spoiler

No other player has had the footwork, counters, strength, shot package, mentality/exigency, all from the low, mid and high-post; let alone done it during a period where zone-defense was in play (which makes it harder since you're not just spamming 1v1 weakside possessions) against the best defenders and most-advanced schemes in history (up to that point).

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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Kobe was nasty in the post, but I always find it funny when people say no one else did it like Kobe as if Jordan didn’t do the same moves first and better

Except Jordan didn't.

Kobe most certainly took a lot of his post-play from MJ (that is undeniable), but he added to it: more counters, more shot-types, and better footwork. Not only in his desire to be better, but the climate of the league forced him to be - as I said in my previous post, he had to deal with zone defense, and better defenders/schemes than MJ did.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

To an extent, but his being so big kinda forced the issue. How do you properly officiate a guy who’s 7’1 and played above 310 even as a rookie though? At some point you have to let the man play, otherwise you’re essentially punishing him for being too big and strong. Dwight used to get that a lot and he was playing a good 50 pounds lighter for most of his career than even rookie Shaq. By the time he reached Los Angeles he was at least 330. On most nights he had at least 60-70 pounds on his matchup. Just by default he’s gonna punish whoever is matched up.

The point is, he benefitted from more favorable officiating in the post than the rest of the players in the conversation; he needed certain [physicality] officiating parameters in order to dominate, whereas the others didn't, to the same degree, because of their respective skillsets. That certainly matters when it comes to weighing up who's the best.

 

[Columbo]

Finally got the poll up brehs

Yes Kobe took alot from Jordan but i think he had even more moves. Kobe is a basketball historian, he took from everybody. Whats wrong with that?

MJ took alot from Dr J, i see nothing wrong with that either. That whole Kobe took all his moves from MJ take needs to be deaded

I was gonna post one of the videos @Gil Scott-Heroin posted but he beat me to it. I gotta say you kinda came through and closed this thread breh

I was thinking its gotta be MJ, Hakeem or Kobe but i was leaning slightly towards Kobe. But what you said leaned me more towards Kobe, shyt i miss that nikka alot

 

[Bigblackted4]

Spoiler

No other player has had the footwork, counters, strength, shot package, mentality/exigency, all from the low, mid and high-post; let alone done it during a period where zone-defense was in play (which makes it harder since you're not just spamming 1v1 weakside possessions) against the best defenders and most-advanced schemes in history (up to that point).

Why does every post you make on here have to be era specific. Your so biased to this era it’s ridiculous. Not stating that your wrong, I disagree with you but damn

 

[Columbo]

The answer is Hakeem, but some people always want to say McHale.


Include Kobe but not Kareem or Duncan brehs.

Al Jefferson best low-post player I've seen recently.

I wonder who these people are

Mchales up there i gotta admit but to say hes Goat i think tue majority of his backing has gotta be hwhite people

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Why does every post you make on here have to be era specific. Your so biased to this era it’s ridiculous. Not stating that your wrong, I disagree with you but damn

That's not being biased - that's called putting things in the appropriate context. It's especially important when taking into account post-play, when players had more freedom to go 1v1 (before zone defense was introduced), without having to deal with multiple defenders shadowing in proximity. I don't know why any reasonable, unbiased person would have a problem with me pointing that out.

 

[Bigblackted4]

That's not being biased - that's called putting things in the appropriate context. It's especially important when taking into account post-play, when players had more freedom to go 1v1 (before zone defense was introduced), without having to deal with multiple defenders shadowing in proximity. I don't know why any reasonable, unbiased person would have a problem with me pointing that out.

I really think your not qualified to compare eras because your not watching games from that era daily like your watching games from this era now. Also you act like they didn’t double team, all the best post players got hard doubles. Also the spacing wasn’t great so players didn’t have a far way to help. Just because they weren’t in a zone doesn’t mean players didn’t help this the high numbers of blocks at the top.

But to answer the Thread I’d say Hakeem because he was constantly posting up players that had 4 or 5 inches on him plus 30 to 40 lbs.

 

[hazardous]

Shaq in his prime when he'd get the ball deep there wasn't much any Centre can do to stop him.

MJ, Barkley and Kobe all get honorable mentions as well.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

voted Hakeem but just came here to post this





mans was out there doing some truly otherworldly shyt

that footwork

that knowledge of the angles

that damn near automatic turn around and/or fadeaway

 

[dayun]

@Low Post Like Hakeem