Who's got the goat post up game?

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I really think your not qualified to compare eras because your not watching games from that era daily like your watching games from this era now. Also you act like they didn’t double team, all the best post players got hard doubles. Also the spacing wasn’t great so players didn’t have a far way to help. Just because they weren’t in a zone doesn’t mean players didn’t help this the high numbers of blocks at the top.

But to answer the Thread I’d say Hakeem because he was constantly posting up players that had 4 or 5 inches on him plus 30 to 40 lbs.

Hakeem was later at 7 feet even and 255. How many guys do you think the league had who were 7’4 or taller or 285 or heavier

 

[Columbo]

Hakeem was listed at 7 feet even and 255. How many guys do you think the league had who were 7’4 or taller or 285 or heavier

Hakeem was probably more like 6'10 235 pounds

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I really think your not qualified to compare eras because your not watching games from that era daily like your watching games from this era now.

I don't have to watch games from that era "daily", like I'm watching games from this era - I mean, is anybody in existence doing that? I've seen more than enough games from previous eras to speak on what has happened in the past.

Also you act like they didn’t double team, all the best post players got hard doubles.

I'm not "acting" like that, at all.

I specifically stated players had more freedom to go 1v1 - not that they didn't get doubled team, at all. It's a simple fact players in the post benefited from less defensive coverage/attention during that period(s); it's partly the reason why post plays aren't a staple in NBA offenses like they once were when teams could exploit M2M defense, when you either had to stay on your man (who was typically cleared out on the strong side - where you had 6-8 players all huddled together, right away from the ball), or hard double - you couldn't just hang around in the vicinity acting as a defensive shadow on the ball-handler.

But to answer the Thread I’d say Hakeem because he was constantly posting up players that had 4 or 5 inches on him plus 30 to 40 lbs.

What the fukk....

 

[Womb Raider]

Joel Embiid

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Hakeem was later at 7 feet even and 255. How many guys do you think the league had who were 7’4 or taller or 285 or heavier

Hakeem was probably more like 6'10 235 pounds

He stated in his autobiography that he was 6'10" 3/4", so basically 6'11".

But that aside, I don't know where the hell @Bigblackted4 is getting this nonsense from that he was "constantly" posting up players who were 4 or 5 inches taller than him.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I wonder who these people are

Mchales up there i gotta admit but to say hes Goat i think tue majority of his backing has gotta be hwhite people

I may have written something other than "some" people say it's McHale at first but then I edited it because I want to stop being quite that divisive.

McHale had a lot of moves and his freakishly long arms were as much an asset as some other guys' athleticism. But his post game was like something that happened on the side, a one-on-one matchup between him and some poor helpless defender. Hakeem's post game could be the central point of an entire Finals. That's what I feel separates him from a lot of the other guys on the list - some guys had only a few moves but were extremely effective (Shaq, Kareem), other guys had great footwork and tons of moves but didn't score at a very high efficiency, McHale had a ton of moves AND he scored at a high efficiency, but only Hakeem put it all together against entire teams and won titles on the back of his post game as the central component.

Hakeem based on skill

prime Shaq based on being the most unstoppable player ever

Because regardless of fancy moves he was unstoppable in the post off of sheer power alone

How do you properly officiate a guy who’s 7’1 and played above 310 even as a rookie though? At some point you have to let the man play, otherwise you’re essentially punishing him for being too big and strong.

I hate the "you have to let the man play" excuse for Shaq.

If Shaq and the other guy are both moving and they collide, and with normal players it would be a simple no-call because they were both moving, but because Shaq's so big and strong the other guy just bounces off....that should still be a no-call. That's fair, Shaq hasn't "done" anything to cause the foul, the other guy just bounced off cause Shaq is so big.

But when someone has defensive position and Shaq just slams into him to knock him off his position, THAT is a foul.

You wouldn't let any smaller player just slam straight into a motionless player in order to gain position. So why you let Shaq do it?

I just posted these in another thread but apparently they need to be copied over here too:

And just to be here:

 

[Supreme365]

Except Jordan didn't.

Kobe most certainly took a lot of his post-play from MJ (that is undeniable), but he added to it: more counters, more shot-types, and better footwork. Not only in his desire to be better, but the climate of the league forced him to be - as I said in my previous post, he had to deal with zone defense, and better defenders/schemes than MJ did.

Besides crossovers there’s not one move that Kobe did that Jordan didn’t, maybe you didn’t watch mj to know

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

My personal faves

Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe
Yao Ming
Mchale
Barkley

 

[75 Others]

Obviously its Hakeem.

Easily

 

[TheNig]

MyPlayer on 2k19

 

[mbewane]

I feel like Sheed had all the tools but somehow didn't develop them as much as others, a damn shame. Great player tho and one of my favorite all-time.

 

[Bigblackted4]

I don't have to watch games from that era "daily", like I'm watching games from this era - I mean, is anybody in existence doing that? I've seen more than enough games from previous eras to speak on what has happened in the past.

I'm not "acting" like that, at all.

I specifically stated players had more freedom to go 1v1 - not that they didn't get doubled team, at all. It's a simple fact players in the post benefited from less defensive coverage/attention during that period(s); it's partly the reason why post plays aren't a staple in NBA offenses like they once were when teams could exploit M2M defense, when you either had to stay on your man (who was typically cleared out on the strong side - where you had 6-8 players all huddled together, right away from the ball), or hard double - you couldn't just hang around in the vicinity acting as a defensive shadow on the ball-handler.

What the fukk....

Hakeem was widely known to be 6’9. What is a shadow going to do to deter people from posting exactly posting up. To stop a true double team they have to double Because a skilled player will shoot over the top anyway.

Also Kobe was posting up much further out than a big, making it extremely hard to double. Spacing was better as well, especially in the Triangle which helped him get the space to operate without fear of shading.

I don’t know if the picture shows but Hakeem and Dwight are the same height. He was maybe a half inch taller. Dwight as we know is about slightly taller than 6’9. Patrick Ewing 7’0 David Robinson 7’1 Shaq 7’1 Kareem, Dikembe 7’1 Robert Parrish 7’0

 

[010101]

the all.time scoring champ

then the postman with the silver.medal

dream gets a salute for the aesthetics & style of how he played

*

 

[camer999]

Spoiler

No other player has had the footwork, counters, strength, shot package, mentality/exigency, all from the low, mid and high-post; let alone done it during a period where zone-defense was in play (which makes it harder since you're not just spamming 1v1 weakside possessions) against the best defenders and most-advanced schemes in history (up to that point).

Kobe is the most skilled player of all time to me. So between him and Hakeem.

 

[28 Gramz]

Hakeem for bigs.
Kobe for wings.