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His best NFC Championship was 2020. All the others were trash even the one he won!
Who's your top 5 QB's All Time
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His best NFC Championship was 2020. All the others were trash even the one he won!
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1. Joe Montana
2. "Air" McNair
3. Mahomes
4. Michael Vick
5. Steve Young
2. "Air" McNair
3. Mahomes
4. Michael Vick
5. Steve Young
Yes it is.
OP didn't say who's your favorite 5 QB. He said Top 5 QB of all time.
If OP makes another thread asking about the Top 5 basketball players of all time and I list
Lebron
Kobe
Curry
Duncan
Kareem
Wouldn't my list be insane with an obvious omission?
murksiderock
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He's got a loopmnngggg way to go to get there. He's #3 of his era, and somewhere between Top 20-25 All-Time.
The good news is that, ostensibly, he has a lot of career left. He could get there, but he has to level up his regular season play, and he's gotta start getting to some Super Bowls.
Well said @murksiderock
In your opinion who are the top 5 of all time? Also, to get in the top 5-10 what is the most important; how many chips you have or super bowl MVPs or reg MVPs, reg season win percentage, playoff win percentage, the number of all pros,etc,etc. which ones do you believe are the most important and carry the most weight??
@MoshpitMazi how is Barry Bonds a cheater? Most of the players were on steroids in his era.
Also, looks at Barry Bonds stats before he took steroids in the first place.
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Mahomes is #1. Who's number 2? Burrow or Lamar?
murksiderock
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1 Brady
2 Montana
3 Manning
4 Mahomes
5 Unitas
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The only definitive for me that I'm sure of beyond a shadow of a doubt, is Brady at #1. Everybody else is fluid, I think my 2 thru 4, you could rank in any order, but I think they are the correct three names for 2 thru 4.
5, I lean Unitas, but I think you could make the case for Rodgers there. Rodgers is no higher than 5th though, that's his best case scenario, and I think that's Unitas' best case scenario too.
Mahomes has more playoff wins than Montana and Manning, more Super Bowl appearances than both, more championships than Manning, abd people could argue Mahomes is the greatest quarterback talent ever. I disagree with that, but I acknowledge that its a justifiable argument.
For me...
Peyton Manning is the most consistently great regular season quarterback I've ever seen. I'm not the only person who has this opinion, the man won 5 MVPs. At this level (Top 5 ever shyt), we splitting hairs with all these guys, but I do think that Manning's absolute apex, was a higher level of play, than the highest I saw from Mahomes---->which is no slight to Mahomes, just like the other guys, he had a historically high peak.
I just think, to my eyes having seen em both, Manning's was higher and more potent.
I also think that it matters that Mahomes "may" have potentially peaked early----->he's been on a gradual decline 3 years in a row. Still obviously an elite QB, but there's plenty of evidence that he's in decline and he'll never reach those heights again.
If that's the case, barring continued playoff success, it's hard to put him over Manning with confidence. Manning was still winning MVPs and threw for 55 TDs in Year 16. The track Mahomes is on, if he even plays 16 years, he won't look like that, and I think that has to factor into this equation.
Also, Mahomes is now the poster child for why ring count can't be your end-all, be-all. First of all, myself and plenty of others look at his career and say, in our opinion, we've seen quarterbacks peak higher and/or play the position better. So there's that.
Second of all, in real time in his own era, he's only been 1st Team All-Pro twice----->pro football writers are telling us in real time that they don't think the gap between he and his next closest peers is that great.
As a reference point, since Mahomes burst on the scene in 2018, here are your 1st Team All-Pro quarterbacks:
2018 Mahomes
2019 Lamar
2020 Rodgers
2021 Rodgers (2)
2022 Mahomes (2)
2023 Lamar (2)
2024 Lamar (3)
2025 Stafford
In the "Mahomes era", pro football writers are telling us that they don't see a major gap in PLAY between he and Lamar and Rodgers.....which, I agree with by the way. That's what my eyes have told me, too.
Mahomes is a Top 4 quarterback of all time because he's separated himself with his postseason resume. Lamar isn't in this Top 4 conversation; neither is Rodgers. Mahomes being an All-Time regular season guy + an All-Time postseason guy gets him into this specific conversation....which brings me full circle and back to Montana and Manning.
Mahomes has been a better playoff performer than Manning, but if you believe Manning was actually a better quarterback, Mahomes needs more playoff separation. A 3-2 championship lead isn't quite enough, when we saw Manning take 4 different coaches to a Super Bowl. Mahomes has excelled in Reid's system---->Manning WAS the system.
These are the kinda things you take into account in this conversation.
I'm only 36 and started watching ball in '99. Montana is before my time. But when you listen to people who saw Montana, talk about him, they talk about him the way old heads talk about Jordan, and the way modern guys talk about Brady. He was Brady before Brady.
You could argue Mahomes is a better talent than Montana, and there are people who disagree with that, who will tell you Montana played the position better. You can't argue Mahomes is a better postseason performer than Montana, not when we've seen Mahomes face plant in two Super Bowls, which never happened to Montana.
I've never heard anyone say Montana was ever as bad in the playoffs as Mahomes was in the 2021 AFC Championship. Regardless of subjective "eye test", what is universally agreed upon, is Montana is arguably the greatest playoff quarterback ever.
Mahomes is "one of" the greatest playoff guys ever--->the convo for THE greatest playoff guy ever, right now, is a 2-man race, and Mahomes isn't one of those two guys.
I think you could make an argument for Mahomes as high as 2, but I don't think it's a strong one. I think you could put he, Montana, or Manning, anywhere from 2 thru 4.
But those are the right three.
Unitas or Rodgers at 5-6, and I lean Unitas at 5!
I think the most important hallmark of an All-Time QB, is how you perform in the playoffs, but how consistently great you were in the regular season is a close second. All-Pros and MVPs are direct indicators of what you were in the regular season.
The combination of regular season + playoffs determines your All-Time ranking, the way I see it.
Lamar is clearly the #2 of the era so far, but that could change. Allen is #3, Burrow and Stafford are 4 and 5.
There are 4 years left in 2020s football (2026, 2027, 2028, 2029). None of these guys are set in stone yet, not even Mahomes at #1, if somebody goes on a legendary run to end the 2020s.
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