Whose the NFL MVP right now?

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Stafford or JT.

Pats are beating up shytty teams just like Lions and will lose vs winning teams destroying Maye hype.

Edit: didnt realize how easy Pats schedule is. They have 2 teams remaining with winning records. Maye might pull away with it if he dont lose those two.

Must be nice to play in the AFCE :beli:

Put Maye aside, but if you're going to talk about an easy schedule, who have the Rams really beaten? They got a win against the Colts, and that's pretty much it.

Again, you can only beat who is on your schedule and they've done that for the most part (Other than losing to a top team in the Eagles and a Mac Jones led 49er's team), but it's not like they've had a brutal schedule......at all.
 

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If an HB is going to win MVP, they will need to have to either break the rushing record or total yards record for rushing and receiving, while also putting up 25+ total TD's. They'll also need to likely be on a team with a QB that is not viewed as very good.

It really has just become a QB award.
 

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The last time the NFL MVP came from a team that didn't win their division, it was Adrian Peterson in 2012.

For you mf's who aren't good at math, that was 13 years ago. And AD got his MVP off of dragging a mediocre team to the playoffs on the strength of a historically dominant season (second most rushing yards ever).

The last time it happened before that, was Air McNair's co-MVP with Manning in '03 on a 12-win Titans squad.

For the mathematically challenged, that was 22 years ago.

The last time before that, was the greatest running back ever winning MVP on a 10-win second place team in 2000, but that's a clear outlier, its the greatest running back ever on what is widely considered one of the 3 greatest offenses ever.

So basically, for the guys bad at math, in the last 25 years, only 3x has the MVP come from a team that didn't win their division, and 2 of those 3 times happened over 20 years ago, and the third time was over a dozen years ago.

So I just gave you your template, fellas: the MVP is coming from a team that wins their division. 88% chance I'm right, according to the last quarter century of football.

So the tread is asking me who are my top MVP candidates right now, here are your current division leaders:

Colts, Patriots, Broncos, Steelers
Eagles, Buccaneers, Seahawks, Packers

So with this, my vote right now would go:

1 Johnathan Taylor
2 Sam Darnold
3 Baker Mayfield

The standings will obviously change some by the end of the year, but this is how I'd vote it right now. And look, the only way I'm considering someone from a 2nd-place team;

(which are the Bills, Chargers, Jaguars, Ravens; and Rams, Lions, Panthers, Cowboys, at present);

Is if we are watching arguably the greatest player ever at their position dominating, or if we are watching someone having a historically legendary season.

Lamar starts winning titles he has a chance to go down as the greatest player ever, but his team is not even in the playoff field right now. He's the only guy playing (besides Mahomes) who even has "greatest player at his position ever" potential.

Allen and Stafford are having great years but these aren't historically great QB years. For reference of what a historically iconic QB season looks like, go back to '18 Mahomes, or '13 Manning, or '07 Brady, or '99 Warner, etc.

We are watching those two have really strong seasons, and arguably the best Stafford year of his career, but this is not some iconic QB run by him. There is another Mahomes year and a Rodgers year or two I'm blanking on at the moment, too.

Padford is having a great year but he ain't having the kinda year he should win it if the Rams finish in 2nd place.

Now, if the Rams win the division and he keeps this play up, my mind can change. As it stands, for me, he's not in the conversation based on the criteria i outlined in this post.
 

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If an HB is going to win MVP, they will need to have to either break the rushing record or total yards record for rushing and receiving, while also putting up 25+ total TD's. They'll also need to likely be on a team with a QB that is not viewed as very good.

It really has just become a QB award.

Yeah Taylor isn't winning as a largely non pass catching rb.
 

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Ponder and absolutely nothing else is what he had though…..
True indeed, just pointing out that being a pass-catching back isn't the way for a back to win it.

Obviously odds are heavily against Taylor. But if the Colts win the 1-seed, and/or best record in The League, and he comes close to OR breaks the rushing TDs or yards record, he has a chance.
 
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