Why are Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga allowed to have massive flops and still get top billing?

[Booker T Garvey]

It’s “who cares” because he’s still a massive draw. As evidenced by the 230 million dollars his last tour just grossed

So was Tina turner but she was never marketed to us as a great artist nor did they pour millions into marketing her albums like that

Keep ignoring this point daps though

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Yeah, this dude's in fantasy land.

Sadly, I've seen your type before. You'll say some dumb/unfounded shyt, get called out on it, then double down until the person you're arguing with smartens up and leaves your dumb ass to your idiocy and then you'll claim "you won."

Have fun lil nikka :boshdistressed:

Huh? People can read that post for themselves bruh..

And I’m having a blast NOT following you around this site, try it sometime fam, you seem stressed

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

They bring in the gays/ thread

Exactly this is stronger than their white privilege status..

They Know how to be politically correct

And are seen as easy to work with...

Justin and Lady Gaga play the politics right...

Even piss colored Tinashe does as well..

Look at all the passes she been giving

 

[Cynic]

JT sells out arenas and stadiums. So does Gaga. Usher isn't on that level.

Very few black artists become legacy acts who can sell out major venues well past their prime. That list is very small. Janet Jackson, Hov...who else? Beyoncé isn't past her prime, but when she reaches that point I'm sure she'll still be able to do major venues. Same with Rihanna. In terms of dead artists, MJ comes to mind; he'd still be selling out arenas if he was alive. Same with Prince.

Weeknd ...

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Exactly this is stronger than their white privilege status..

They Know how to be politically correct

And are seen as easy to work with...

Justin and Lady Gaga play the politics right...

Even piss colored Tinashe does as well..

Look at all the passes she been giving

I believe the LGBT argument is true for Gaga, she is an Icon in the gay community the way Beyonce is - that type of reach extends behind the scenes as well not just from fans.

But this can't be said for timberlake

ironically, Clive Davis brought this up in his book about Taylor Dayne; back in the day she insisted she write her second album and it flopped

she didn't get dropped, but she didn't release another project for years and wasn't a label priority that she once was

just saying it's weird for these "superstars" to have such massive flops and see no real dip in their careers

 

[Biscayne]

Lady Gaga and Justin Timberlake are legacy acts.

They aren't 24 year olds with one hot album, they are 30 plus and pretty much defined Pop culture for a decade (in Timberlake's case, 2 decades)

You really expect people to care about that one flop they had in a decade plus career?

Do we care about Jay Z 3 flops in a row until he made 4:44?

How many flops Snoop Dogg has had? Snoop Dogg hasn't made worthwhile music in a decade or so?

Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga and Jay Z and Snoop are pop culture institutions, they aren't going anywhere no matter how much they suck.

Pretty much. JT been doing it since I was in elementary. Thing is, he(like most boy bands) start out so young, that by the time they're in their late 30's, they reach "Legacy Act" status. We forget you don't have to be Bette Midler, Stevie Wonder or Tina Turner age to get to that "Vegas Show" level. Hell, I think Britney Spears has her own Vegas Showcase. She's straight from JT's era also. Bey and Jay are right there too. Hell throw Usher, Outkast, Eminem, and Nelly in there too. Basically anyone who's first few albums as a solo artist or as a group sold multi platinum or diamond from roughly 1999-2009, is now in their "Legacy Act" phase of their careers.



After your first 3 to 4 albums went multi platinum in that 6yr span, you basically became a "brand" and you're "too big to fail" and any tour you decide to create, will sell out. All of the afformentioned artist have been selling millions of records for 20yrs
now(some of them for 20+ years).



They have leeway for about 5 flops.

 

[Biscayne]

And that role was always going to go to a singer. Beyonce was originally attached to the project when Clint Eastwood was handling it, when she left he was looking at Esparanza Spalding.

Had no idea.

 

[JackRoss]

You was just dissing Chadwick for doing a indie film wtf

Even compared him to Will Smith and other people in those Marvel movies. Yall so weird.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

You was just dissing Chadwick for doing a indie film wtf

Even compared him to Will Smith and other people in those Marvel movies. Yall so weird.

So now 21 bridges is an independent film - no major studios involved or nothing ...hold up breh, your dramatics needs theme music, let me read that again with this playing:

 

[JackRoss]

So now 21 bridges is an independent film - no major studios involved or nothing ...hold up breh, your dramatics needs theme music, let me read that again with this playing:

You not letting up on this shyt lol. LEAVE CHADWICK ALONE

 

[Cynic]

I believe the LGBT argument is true for Gaga, she is an Icon in the gay community the way Beyonce is - that type of reach extends behind the scenes as well not just from fans.

But this can't be said for timberlake

ironically, Clive Davis brought this up in his book about Taylor Dayne; back in the day she insisted she write her second album and it flopped

she didn't get dropped, but she didn't release another project for years and wasn't a label priority that she once was

just saying it's weird for these "superstars" to have such massive flops and see no real dip in their careers

Social Media era won't folks drop off a cliff like that ...

 

[jwinfield]

Oh, I get it, this is one of those threads where an argument is made, gets refuted multiple times, the goal post is moved, the new argument is refuted and then the process is repeated until the thread ends up dying

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Oh, I get it, this is one of those threads where an argument is made, gets refuted multiple times, the goal post is moved, the new argument is refuted and then the process is repeated until the thread ends up dying

Show me other artists that aren’t these two who’ve had massive albums flop and cost their labels millions and still maintain their Hollywood A+ list status?

Because I asked that in the OP and nobody’s showed me - the goal post is still behind the end zone my friend...

You were saying?

 

[jwinfield]

But i'm saying how did she even get that opportunity

Cuz Bradley Cooper was the director and wanted her to star in it. Sounds simple enough.

Her last album wasn't Artpop though. She did that duet album with Tony Bennett that did really well and then she dropped Joanne which went platinum and won a Grammy. Then she did the Superbowl and headlined Coachella. See, while we ignored her, she was still working and switched her image up.

The acting part of it came when she did American Horror Story.

And that role was always going to go to a singer. Beyonce was originally attached to the project when Clint Eastwood was handling it, when she left he was looking at Esparanza Spalding.

Because she can sing and is the closest thing to Barbara Streisand in the music world now.

So where are your examples of other artists getting this type of promo for an album:

The album No Doubt was promoting for the commercial only sold 115k the first week.

Neither one of us were in those marketing and board meetings at the label

the budget for those commercials alone had to have been over 10 million dollars

what's so special about these two?

The 20/20 Experience was the best selling album of 2013. I don't know why you continue to reference that project. The money that was spent on promotion was very much offset by the world tour that grossed $231 million. So knowing that, how did he waste money?

The funny thing about the Man of the Woods project is that for an album that didn't sell as much as his older stuff, even that world tour grossed $226 mil. JT is still a major tour draw.

Justin is coming off a world tour which grossed 226 million dollars

Then Tina Turner gets brought into the discussion

Tina Turner was what many in the industry called an "Arena artist", just like the rolling stones - artists that aren't about to blow up the charts or sell 50 million records, but sell out stadiums

So was Tina turner but she was never marketed to us as a great artist nor did they pour millions into marketing her albums like that

So Tina, who has sold 200 million albums worldwide never got a push?

Private Dancer came out in 84 and sold 250k a week for 2 months, ended up doing 20M world wide, won 4 Grammys and went on a huge tour. You don't think there was a push? She went plat two years later, gold 3 years after that, released What's Love Got To Do With It that went plat in 93, and didn't go gold in 96 even though she had this commercial come out
.

Her final album went gold in 99.

Her first farewell tour grossed 120M in 99. Her retirement tour in 09 grossed 130M.

Tina is definitely marketed as a great artist. She's won 8 Grammys, was given a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award, three of her songs are in the Grammy Hall of Fame, Rolling Stones listed her as the 17th Greatest Singer of All Time, she got the Kennedy Center Honors in 2005, inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 91.

Her tours never grossed as much as Justin's last two did.

just saying it's weird for these "superstars" to have such massive flops and see no real dip in their careers

Show me other artists that aren’t these two who’ve had massive albums flop and cost their labels millions and still maintain their Hollywood A+ list status?

How did 20/20 cost the label millions? How was it a massive flop? Because he made a Target commercial. The 2 albums making up 20/20 sold 6M worldwide and resulted in a tour that grossed 230M+

fukking Jay and Beyonce just put out an album that only went Gold and no one is questioning their A+ status.

Because Man of the Woods only went Gold we're supposed to act like Justin no longer exists, he hasn't even done anything since the tour for the album.

Show me an artist that has had a long term period of great success, dabbled in acting and other ventures and then fall off the face of the earth because they had an album that disappointed in sales.

 

[Street Knowledge]

So was Tina turner but she was never marketed to us as a great artist nor did they pour millions into marketing her albums like that

Keep ignoring this point daps though

1.)I’ve never seen Justin Timberlake marketed as a great musician. He just had hot pop records and seen as a good performer. Most people don’t even know he can play the guitar or piano.

You said “top billing”. What does that mean exactly? He put out an album went on tour and mad a bunch of money.... and? It was the 6th highest grossing tour of 2018.

2.)As for pouring millions into marketing an album, the last one(20/20 experience) he put out was the biggest album of 2013 with the second biggest tour, why wouldn’t they put tons of money into the next project?He’s a proven draw in the music industry