Why are Michael Jordan fans the worst in sports?

[PTBG]

You hit it right on the head. at that little documentary they showed on Sportscenter about Jordan's college career. They really are trying to give him all the credit for North Carolina beating Georgetown in the championship game in 82. Like James Worthy wasn't the MVP of the game and the best player on North Carolina. Also, giving no credit to Sam Perkins either. Yes MJ made the GW jump shot, but they don't show the game winning steal on defense by James Worthy the next play. Now just because MJ made that one GW shot, he has people thinking that he was just as dominate in college his whole tenure with North Carolina than he was in the NBA. But, the media never talk about the next 2 years of Jordan's college career ever. They never bring up the 1983 and 1984 NCAA tournaments, when North Carolina were #2 seed in 1983 and #1 seed. And his team lost in the regionals in NCAA tournament to Georgia in 1983, the REGIONALS. And lost in the sweet sixteen to the Indiana c@cs in 1984. How are you supposed to be the GOAT BASKETBALL player, when you couldn't dominate college basketball like Kareem did?

 

[#1 pick]

I'm a Knick fan for life and will never forgive that fakkit MJ for single handedly preventing some good Knicks teams from advancing

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But even I can't take this thread serious. Wilt was the most dominant force the NBA ever seen and that should be indisputable. MJ, however, showed a will to win that has not been matched by the likes of Kobe, LeBron or anybody else. Son ALWAYS saved his best for the biggest moments. I used to hate watching this nikka drop 25 in the 4th quarter like it was nothing Numbers can be misinterpreted but anybody who watched son play couldn't deny how he willed his team to victory in the clutch every time.

We beat the Bulls in '94 because Scottie's heart pumped kool-aid and didn't want the big shot. An out of shape MJ came back halfway through the next season and took a flabby and sick Chicago team to the 2nd round and never lost a playoff series after that. Dude only saw 1 game 7 during all those championship runs.

I love the fact that he's clutch and he has the heart of a tiger but those little things don't make him better than Lebron. In fact, Kobe does many of those things as well and I am not a Kobe stan. I like him as much as I liked MJ which is a lot but neither should be consider GOAT's. I give Kobe best Laker for his longevity more than anything.

 

[#1 pick]

You hit it right on the head. at that little documentary they showed on Sportscenter about Jordan's college career. They really are trying to give him all the credit for North Carolina beating Georgetown in the championship game in 82. Like James Worthy wasn't the MVP of the game and the best player on North Carolina. Also, giving no credit to Sam Perkins either. Yes MJ made the GW jump shot, but they don't show the game winning steal on defense by James Worthy the next play. Now just because MJ made that one GW shot, he has people thinking that he was just as dominate in college his whole tenure with North Carolina than he was in the NBA. But, the media never talk about the next 2 years of Jordan's college career ever. They never bring up the 1983 and 1984 NCAA tournaments, when North Carolina were #2 seed in 1983 and #1 seed. And his team lost in the regionals in NCAA tournament to Georgia in 1983, the REGIONALS. And lost in the sweet sixteen to the Indiana c@cs in 1984. How are you supposed to be the GOAT BASKETBALL player, when you couldn't dominate college basketball like Kareem did?

James Worthy
Sam Perkins

It was a legit argument of who was better in college during their playing days? Perkins or MJ. Heck, there were some they felt Len Bias was a better player than MJ. I gotta give it to MJ He showed his a*s in Chicago. Made them the team to watch even if he wasn't a team player for half of his career. MJ wasn't even the player Shaq was in college much less Pistol Pete, Christian L, and Hakeem O. But you gotta give it to MJ. A lot of guys wanted to sign with UNC because MJ played there so it helped UNC at the end of the day and still helps them.

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

Being a Jordan fan doesn't require you to think or have any vast knowledge of the sport...

I have never seen a more delusional fan sector in all of sports aside from Matt Ryan fans.

"Wilt put up superior numbers when far less of a supporting cast and when he had one and was old, he was still elite and won a ring."

MJ fans: Well, he did it when Centers were 6'6 and a bunch of white boys.

"Lebron James is a much more important and better player than MJ. He gives you better numbers, more impactful stats, better decision making, better defense, more versatile, less chucking, and is bigger, faster, and much stronger."

MJ fans: Hahaha, Michael Jordan is MUCH better. MJ got to 6 Finals and won 6


"Bill Russell has more rings than anyone and did it with greats like Petit, Wilt, Cousy, Lanier, Arizin, Baylor, Bellamy, and Big O."

MJ fans: He did it with an elite team full of HOF's. MJ did it all by himself. The 90's was the strongest era in Basketball outside of the 80's with Magic, Bird, and his Airness.

"How is MJ better than the great bigs like KAJ, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, Wilt, and Russell when they changed the rules to make it harder for those players when they changed the rules to make it easier for MJ?"

MJ fans: How did they make it easier for MJ? They had handchecking, it was physical, remember the Bad Boys of Detroit. (As if every other team played like Detroit)

"The SG position was weak in the 80's especially athletically, do you think MJ stats are stewed because of it as well as the pace of play and the defensive assignments?"

MJ fans: No, because MJ is the GOAT. He would average 50PPG without hand-checking and physical play. MJ would drop 60 in his sleep on Iggy. MJ would murder in today's NBA.

"When Lebron left Cleveland, they became the worst team in the NBA and still had their 2nd and 3rd best player on the roster and went 19-63 after finishing 61-21 an having the best record in the NBA. MJ retired the first time and without MJ they went 55-27 after finishing 57-25 and they took the Knicks to Game 7. How is MJ better and more important when he's worth just two losses and the difference between a Game 7 2nd round lost and a NBA Title. Wasn't Rasheed Wallace worth that much for the Pistons in the early 2000's?"

MJ fans: The 90's was kind of weak back then and the Bulls greatly overachieved. Phil Jackson is the GOAT coach. Cleveland lost Shaq who is a HOF player and is better than Pippen. Don't you agree Shaq is better than Pippen? They lost Big Z. He was an All Star. Lebron wasn't the reason they won those games, it was Anderson Verjeao. You are comparing Rasheed Wallace to Michael Jordan, I'm done with this conservation.

 

[god shamgod]

Believe, I am always open to new reasons why you think MJ is GOAT? I used to do this for kicks. I would go to barbershops just to son 15 n*ggas to Bolivia. I would love to hear why you think MJ is GOAT.

The best I've heard is no one has done more for the game in terms of marketing and money. The End. It was his best point because it was true but that still doesn't make him the best Basketball player and better than the aforementioned names. Just the most influential and marketable player. That's great for the NBA, ESPN, WGN, and sports in general but not for this conservation.

Mj is the GOAT for the following reasons:

He transcended the game of basketball it's a global billion dollar industry becuse of sponsors, endorsements etc because of jordan.5 of the 6 highest rated finals in history featured the chicago bulls.The highest rated nba game ever was game 6 of the 1998 nba finals

He has 10 scoring titles most in nba history

He has the highest points ever averaged in nba history(30.2)highest playoff average in nba history(33.4) and the highest points in a playoff game(63)led a team to a 72-10 record.Most finals's mvp's in nba history and was the 1st guard to win defensive player of the year

He is the blueprint on how to change your game when your athletic skills decline to still dominate at age 34-35.

He dominated his peers and never lost in an nba championship round and has fathered stars playing styles in the current league

 

[Jacksonville Swaguar]

Hakeem, Wilt, Bill Russell, Magic, and Lebron fan.

You know good and well you never seen them nikkas play other than some highlights
You've compiled a list of stats, figures, and accounts from oldheads to put into your mind that you're some type of basketball guru

 

[Luke Cage]

Kobe sucks dikk

 

[superunknown23]

Stans period are sad human beings. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging someone's greatness, but some of these dudes seem to take it personally when you attack their idols. Unless someone is speaking badly about my Mom or Dad, no way I'm going to war (verbal or physical) over some dude I've never even met

What's funny about the concept of "stanning" online is that it applies mostly to the younger generation (2000s). I don't think you can accurately say that older players have rabid "stans" online, since most of their fans (who actually saw them play) are older and don't post that much on internet forums anyway.
The average of message board "stan" is probably around 20-years old and I can't see how you can legitimately "stan" a player that you don't recall watching.
The best indicator of this are online polls, which always skew toward the latest hot thing... Lebron, Kobe, Durant have probably more "stans" online than any other players for that simple reason.

 

[dantheman9758]

Mj is the GOAT for the following reasons:

He transcended the game of basketball it's a global billion dollar industry becuse of sponsors, endorsements etc because of jordan.5 of the 6 highest rated finals in history featured the chicago bulls.The highest rated nba game ever was game 6 of the 1998 nba finals

He has 10 scoring titles most in nba history

He has the highest points ever averaged in nba history(30.2)highest playoff average in nba history(33.4) and the highest points in a playoff game(63)led a team to a 72-10 record.Most finals's mvp's in nba history and was the 1st guard to win defensive player of the year

He is the blueprint on how to change your game when your athletic skills decline to still dominate at age 34-35.

He dominated his peers and never lost in an nba championship round and has fathered stars playing styles in the current league

you've had a heavy dose of MJ cool-aid... there are quite a few other players who have matched or have done significantly more extraordinary things than MJ in several different facets of the game. There is a group of GOAT caliber players, there isn't just one unanimously chosen player no matter how hard you try to sell it.

 

[SwagKingKong]

I have. In fact, I will make threads why Wilt, KAJ, Bill, and Lebron are the best basketball players ever.

Good luck breh, you won't be able to make any legit arguments though. LeBron is just a laughable comparison at this point, since Michael Jordan gave you 11 seasons of himself on a superstar level while LeBron is only at 9 counting this one. There's no one that can argue for LeBron at this point simply because he hasn't done enough. And that's not even getting into the whole, Jordan was, as scary as it sounds, even better at his peak.

Good luck with Wilt too, dig deep and you will see how his stats really are inflated because of the pace they played with. If you adjust his numbers for pace, you will notice that for example, his 50 ppg season translates to ~28 ppg in 75 possessions per game.. Which is the ~ number that Jordans teams averaged for his career, in which Jordan managed a 30.3 ppg.. Again his career average is higher than Wilts best scoring season when you adjust for pace.

I love both KAJ and Bill and have them high on my all-time list but again, Jordan trumps them both if you look into it. So go ahead and make your arguments, I'm ready to counter anything you throw at me.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Yup mad is the only word that describes this thread.

 

[dantheman9758]

Good luck breh, you won't be able to make any legit arguments though. LeBron is just a laughable comparison at this point, since Michael Jordan gave you 11 seasons of himself on a superstar level while LeBron is only at 9 counting this one. There's no one that can argue for LeBron at this point simply because he hasn't done enough. And that's not even getting into the whole, Jordan was, as scary as it sounds, even better at his peak.

Good luck with Wilt too, dig deep and you will see how his stats really are inflated because of the pace they played with. If you adjust his numbers for pace, you will notice that for example, his 50 ppg season translates to ~28 ppg in 75 possessions per game.. Which is the ~ number that Jordans teams averaged for his career, in which Jordan managed a 30.3 ppg.. Again his career average is higher than Wilts best scoring season when you adjust for pace.

I love both KAJ and Bill and have them high on my all-time list but again, Jordan trumps them both if you look into it. So go ahead and make your arguments, I'm ready to counter anything you throw at me.

"adjusted" - IE fictitious - especially if your hacking his stats down to 28ppg. What would Jerry West and Oscar Robertson average in todays league, 14ppg? Bill Russell, 5ppg? Dumbass. You can't "adjust" peoples stats with formulas, the end result is nothing but a fictitious number and the method for adjustment is usually heavily biased when it's being done by a STAN. Wilt and his contemporaries averaged their numbers for reasons well beyond "pace", you lack any semblence of context whatsoever. Though I'm not surprise, because if your a stan, you also lack any semblence of common sense.

 

[god shamgod]

you've had a heavy dose of MJ cool-aid... there are quite a few other players who have matched or have done significantly more extraordinary things than MJ in several different facets of the game. There is a group of GOAT caliber players, there isn't just one unanimously chosen player no matter how hard you try to sell it.

Nah I haven't

I never saw kareem,wilt or bill russell play and shaq and Lebron have said jordan is the greatest.I'm not some impressionable idiot I watched jordan play and never seen anyone better

 

[NaijaProdigy Redux]

I actually find Kobe stans to be far worse than MJ stans...

 

[kingofnyc]

then he post this



Fool, your opinion that MJ is the best isn't 2*2(Mathematics). It is strictly an opinion based off of a preference and one that is actually wrong.

an opinion is ones judgement
when that judgement is overwhelming toward 1 way - it becomes common knowledge

so ur telling me jordan GOAT status is not common knowledge