Why are Michael Jordan fans the worst in sports?

[Lakerman0834]

"adjusted" - IE fictitious - especially if your hacking his stats down to 28ppg. What would Jerry West and Oscar Robertson average in todays league, 14ppg? Bill Russell, 5ppg? Dumbass. You can't "adjust" peoples stats with formulas, the end result is nothing but a fictitious number and the method for adjustment is usually heavily biased when it's being done by a STAN.

Dude made stat adjustments

 

[god shamgod]

Kobe has the worst stans of any player ever they tear down any peer compared to kobe Ie: shaq,t mac,iverson,wade,lebron,durant and MJ and they try to discredit the whole 90's era

Jordan fans don't have to tear down others cuz he's regarded as the goat by hall of fame coaches,players and the general consensus of nba fans.This thread is some bitter nikka ventin cuz he hates jordan personally.This premise don't even make sense when you think about it

 

[SwagKingKong]

"adjusted" - IE fictitious - especially if your hacking his stats down to 28ppg. What would Jerry West and Oscar Robertson average in todays league, 14ppg? Bill Russell, 5ppg? Dumbass. You can't "adjust" peoples stats with formulas, the end result is nothing but a fictitious number and the method for adjustment is usually heavily biased when it's being done by a STAN. Wilt and his contemporaries averaged their numbers for reasons well beyond "pace", you lack any semblence of context whatsoever. Though I'm not surprise, because if your a stan, you also lack any semblence of common sense.

Uhm.. OK? Why the hell wouldn't you adjust for pace? You're going to ignore the fact that Wilt played in a league where teams averaged over 150 possessions per game, compared to todays what, maybe 80-85 possessions per game? It would be ridiculous to compare their numbers straight up. Of course he scored more points, there were more shots for each team. Sometimes even twice as many possessions as todays game

We only have the rebounding percentage for his last three seasons (percentage of available rebounds a person grabs while he's on the floor) and throughout the three seasons he had a TRB % of 19.4. Very impressive still, but still worse than someone like Garnett in his prime, who has four seasons above that mark. And the numbers would equal to Rodmans 4th worst rebounding season, like I said, still impressive but not even close to Rodmans peak at 29.7 TRB %.

It's just ridiculous to not adjust for pace when you're looking at his numbers. Just like you naturally wouldn't compare Bill Russells poor FG % to todays FG %. Because if you would, you would see that his 44 FG % over his career is below todays league average (44.9 %) and remember, todays NBA has a three point shot, in reality, that mark should be even higher if we didn't have threes like in Russells days. Anyway, comparing it to todays game is pointless, because you will see that if you compare his FG % to the league average back then... well, then he was above league average.

Food for thought

 

[bl2k8]

Smh OP ain't even a Kobe fan and the first two post in a MJ thread is about Kobe.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

If Mike isn't the best player of all time then explain in detail why he isn't and who was better..

 

[Malta]

If Mike isn't the best player of all time then explain in detail why he isn't and who was better..

You can make a legitimate case for Kareem, just as many accomplishments

 

[dantheman9758]

Nah I haven't

I never saw kareem,wilt or bill russell play and shaq and Lebron have said jordan is the greatest.I'm not some impressionable idiot I watched jordan play and never seen anyone better

Well at least you admit that. It's a better look for fans when they admit right out of the gates that player A. is the greatest player they've seen. Rather than saying player A. (one you've seen) is greater than player B. (one you have not seen) when their resumes and testimonial from peers are actually very similarly impactful.

 

[Lakerman0834]

You can make a legitimate case for Kareem, just as many accomplishments

magic too

 

[#1 pick]

You can make a legitimate case for Kareem, just as many accomplishments

Or Wilt

Or Bill Russell

Lebron from a talent standpoint. No way can I say Lebron has had a better career than MJ.

My favorite thing is how MJ fans combine MJ's quickness and athletic ability from the 80's and combine it with his BBIQ, skill, and post skills in the 90's and make this perfect MJ. So unrealistic yet such a creative imagination.

 

[#1 pick]

magic too

Not sure about Magic and I am a Magic fan. MJ got Magic breh.

 

[BrothaZay]

I been saying this. When you compare peaks MJ isn't a top 2 sg

 

[dantheman9758]

Uhm.. OK? Why the hell wouldn't you adjust for pace? You're going to ignore the fact that Wilt played in a league where teams averaged over 150 possessions per game, compared to todays what, maybe 80-85 possessions per game? It would be ridiculous to compare their numbers straight up. Of course he scored more points, there were more shots for each team. Sometimes even twice as many possessions as todays game

We only have the rebounding percentage for his last three seasons (percentage of available rebounds a person grabs while he's on the floor) and throughout the three seasons he had a TRB % of 19.4. Very impressive still, but still worse than someone like Garnett in his prime, who has four seasons above that mark. And the numbers would equal to Rodmans 4th worst rebounding season, like I said, still impressive but not even close to Rodmans peak at 29.7 TRB %.

It's just ridiculous to not adjust for pace when you're looking at his numbers. Just like you naturally wouldn't compare Bill Russells poor FG % to todays FG %. Because if you would, you would see that his 44 FG % over his career is below todays league average (44.9 %) and remember, todays NBA has a three point shot, in reality, that mark should be even higher if we didn't have threes like in Russells days. Anyway, comparing it to todays game is pointless, because you will see that if you compare his FG % to the league average back then... well, then he was above league average.

Food for thought

No food for thought to see here people. Just a pretentious stan slighting a different era/crop of players by using fictitious stats and actual stats completely out of context to prop up his own favorites.

 

[SwagKingKong]

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No food for thought to see here people. Just a pretentious stan slighting a different era/crop of players by using fictitious stats and actual stats completely out of context to prop up his own favorites.

Way to completely ignore the point I was making and coming off as another stupid nikka..

And MJ is hardly my favorite player, I'm just not blind to what he accomplished on the floor.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

You can make a legitimate case for Kareem, just as many accomplishments

lets quickly review the titles...he won with Oscar another top ten player of all time in 70-71 but Oscar wasn't quite Oscar... that was Kareem's team. That's the first title.

1980.. Kareem's team despite Magic or Wilkes doin work. Great team. That's two as a top player.

1982 Kareem still put in work. top player. Another great Laker team but MJ had Pippen who was an elite player in their era so can't hold it again't Kareem.

1985 Magic had ridiculous numbers and Worthy putting in work but Kareem still holding his own. Give it to him as a top player. He was still Kareem.

1987 Kareem is finally starting to slow down.. Magic and Worthy were ridiculous. Hard to say they win without Kareem but he wasn't the top player on that team.

1988 he's a very solid role player.

They both won six titles but I would say MJ won all six being by far the best player on his own team while Kareem wasn't THE guy on at least two of the Laker title teams.

Splitting hairs? Maybe... Obviously as far as individual numbers go Kareem is right there with MJ but so are others like Oscar..

 

[dantheman9758]

Way to completely ignore the point I was making and coming off as another stupid nikka..

And MJ is hardly my favorite player, I'm just not blind to what he accomplished on the floor.

I understood your point quite clearly. You don't particularly like Wilt Chamberlain, therefore you apply "stat adjustments" to come up with fictitious numbers in order to make his game look unfavorable. And you think Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time.

IE, your an MJ stan, and that doesn't hesitate to unfavorably throw at least one other GOAT candidate under the bus whenever he's discussed (in this case Wilt)

Ergo your coming off as just another stan.