Why didn't Taker succeed as the top guy?

[Silkk]

I didn't read this whole thread, but I see where @Wacky D is coming from. Taker is a legend to me, but he's an extremely successful B+ player (nothing wrong with that), never was on Austin's, Rock's, or even Foley's and HHH's level as a main eventer. The WWE machine hypes him up because he's been "loyal" for so long (according to Nash and Hall, he was in talks with WCW during the MNW). He's respected and rocked with you regardless of your status as a wrestler (BSK being nothing but jobbers). The Busta Rhymes analogy is on-point. Cartoony, gimmicky, never was a GOAT and shouldn't be in anyone's top 10, but a legend nonetheless.

I'll give you Rock, Austin, & Hogan.

But Triple H?

And Foley?

The Undertaker MADE mick foley in the wwf and HHH was never on taker's level. That was clear in the corporate ministry.

 

[Wacky D]

I'll give you Rock, Austin, & Hogan.

But Triple H?

And Foley?

The Undertaker MADE mick foley in the wwf and HHH was never on taker's level. That was clear in the corporate ministry.

foley was huge before he even came to the wwf. undertaker didnt make nothing.

foley & hhh are main event co-stars like the undertaker, but theyre better at it.

lol @ the corporate ministry.

I didn't read this whole thread, but I see where @Wacky D is coming from. Taker is a legend to me, but he's an extremely successful B+ player (nothing wrong with that), never was on Austin's, Rock's, or even Foley's and HHH's level as a main eventer. The WWE machine hypes him up because he's been "loyal" for so long (according to Nash and Hall, he was in talks with WCW during the MNW). He's respected and rocked with you regardless of your status as a wrestler (BSK being nothing but jobbers). The Busta Rhymes analogy is on-point. Cartoony, gimmicky, never was a GOAT and shouldn't be in anyone's top 10, but a legend nonetheless.

THIS

 

[mrken12]

I didn't read this whole thread, but I see where @Wacky D is coming from.

I don't. He's almost always making terrible points.

 

[Heelish]

I'll give you Rock, Austin, & Hogan.

But Triple H?

And Foley?

The Undertaker MADE mick foley in the wwf and HHH was never on taker's level. That was clear in the corporate ministry.

Foley was already a name before the Taker feud. At his peak, Foley was way more over than Taker. Yeah, we all say (myself included) that Trips is a B+ player, but he was also the best heel during the AE. HHH wasn't even the biggest name in DX, but once the McMahon-Helmsley Era began, HHH was the better main eventer. Taker doesn't seem like the type to even care, he's a legend and gets his props.

foley & hhh are main event co-stars like the undertaker, but theyre better at it.

Bingo.

 

[Silkk]

Foley was already a name before the Taker feud. At his peak, Foley was way more over than Taker. Yeah, we all say (myself included) that Trips is a B+ player, but he was also the best heel during the AE. HHH wasn't even the biggest name in DX, but once the McMahon-Helmsley Era began, HHH was the better main eventer. Taker doesn't seem like the type to even care, he's a legend and gets his props.


Bingo.

Absolutely not.

As far as HHH being the better main eventer.... 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and beyond showed that was incredibly false.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I don't. He's almost always making terrible points.

This site has fallen off so hard over the last year and change

 

[mrken12]

This site has fallen off so hard over the last year and change

I wouldn't go that far. There are always contrarians and people going against the grain here but some people try way too hard. At least we haven't gone down to Coliseum or Locker Room status.

 

[Heelish]

Absolutely not.

As far as HHH being the better main eventer.... 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and beyond showed that was incredibly false.

Kids and adults alike were nuts for Foley. His first title win, Rock-N-Sock Connection, his books, etc. He connected with the crowd. Taker was over but never a mega-superstar. The streak is what got him his present-day status. Back in the day, his undefeated streak was nothing more than a "Did You Know?", a side tidbit.

I was referring to the AE, Trips' run during 02-04 was horrendous. I watched SD over Raw so didn't witness all the fukkery. As for 05 and beyond, I didn't watch and based on what I've read, the main eventers were HHH, HBK, Cena, Orton, Batista, and Edge Was Taker up there even with them?

I'm a big fan of Taker, hell, one of the reasons I came back to watch WWE was because of the Taker/HBK II feud leading up to WM. Just gotta call it how it is. Benoit is still in my top 10 but he was never an A+ player.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I wouldn't go that far. There are always contrarians and people going against the grain here but some people try way too hard. At least we haven't gone down to Coliseum or Locker Room status.

Coliseum is worse. Mods don't even attempt to moderate all the spamming and stanning and trolls. The all caps Kobe Stan and the new spam troll gangstar8 come to mind as examples. 3 rivers does his job at least.

 

[Wacky D]

I wouldn't go that far. There are always contrarians and people going against the grain here but some people try way too hard. At least we haven't gone down to Coliseum or Locker Room status.

this board fell off because of people like you.

i been here from jump. before it became a dweeb convention where a bunch of half-wits dap each other up and isolate anyone that goes against their grain, even if theyre the ones that dont know what theyre talking.

hence, that new day thread where all you sleepy ass dudes got mad at me because i called them out for the shuckin-n-jivin. the VERY SAME THREAD that is the reason why youre following me around from thread-to-thread trying to pop chit, like youre doing right now.

now go ahead, pull out your lil playbook and start lying on me, claiming that im a cryme tyme fan or whatever other chit you want to lie about in hopes of saving face.

Absolutely not.

As far as HHH being the better main eventer.... 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and beyond showed that was incredibly false.

the same could be said for all of the undertaker's forgettable title runs.

and youre arguing over stuff that we're not even talking about. we're talking about triple h and foley being better CO-STARS in the main event.

2002 on out is the wwf trying to make triple h into the main star. aint nobody signing off on that cannon.

but are you gonna act like undertaker's main event work with the likes of rock & austin is on par with triple h & foley's work with the same people? keep it real kid.

 

[Silkk]

this board fell off because of people like you.

i been here from jump. before it became a dweeb convention where a bunch of half-wits dap each other up and isolate anyone that goes against their grain, even if theyre the ones that dont know what theyre talking.

hence, that new day thread where all you sleepy ass dudes got mad at me because i called them out for the shuckin-n-jivin. the VERY SAME THREAD that is the reason why youre following me around from thread-to-thread trying to pop chit, like youre doing right now.

now go ahead, pull out your lil playbook and start lying on me, claiming that im a cryme tyme fan or whatever other chit you want to lie about in hopes of saving face.





the same could be said for all of the undertaker's forgettable title runs.

and youre arguing over stuff that we're not even talking about. we're talking about triple h and foley being better CO-STARS in the main event.

2002 on out is the wwf trying to make triple h into the main star. aint nobody signing off on that cannon.

but are are gonna act like undertaker's main event work with the likes of rock & austin is on par with triple h & foley's work with the same people? keep it real kid.

Undertaker & Rock are Austin's top wrestler rivals (case can be made for Bret)

Taker rarely worked with Rock.

If not for foley trying to commit suicide he never would've got those chances. "Glorified crash test dummy"

 

[Wacky D]

Undertaker & Rock are Austin's top wrestler rivals (case can be made for Bret)

Taker rarely worked with Rock.

If not for foley trying to commit suicide he never would've got those chances. "Glorified crash test dummy"

im not talking about being associated thru quantity & booking. im moreso talking about quality and stuff thats really remembered.

taker has done more than enough work with the rock. its just not memorable.

mick foley has been headlining ppvs since '92 breh breh. people that didnt even like wrestling knew cactus jack back then. as far as the wwf goes, he came in and went str8 to the top of the card in '96. the whole idea of him being made in '98 is ludicrous.

 

[Silkk]

im not talking about being associated thru quantity.

im moreso talking about quality.

taker has done more than enough work with the rock. its just not memorable.

They only had 1 PPV match during the attitude era...

 

[Hope]

I skimmed through thread. I always attest that top 5 are pretty obvious when it comes to a combo of die-hard fans, casuals, and non-fans. Who is really known and really draws.

1) The Rock
2) Hogan
3) Ric Flair
3) Austin
4) Macho Man
5) Undertaker
6) Andre the Giant
7) Goldberg
8) Bruno Sammartino
9) Bret Hart
10) Brock Lesnar



My rankings may be off, but this is the best of the best on superstar and top guy status. The Clique is only meaningful to die-hard fans. Fukk all of them except HBK. Maybe u can include him and ultimate warrior and take out Brock and Hart, but I'm just saying.

 

[Wacky D]

I skimmed through thread. I always attest that top 5 are pretty obvious when it comes to a combo of die-hard fans, casuals, and non-fans. Who is really known and really draws.

1) The Rock
2) Hogan
3) Ric Flair
3) Austin
4) Macho Man
5) Undertaker
6) Andre the Giant
7) Goldberg
8) Bruno Sammartino
9) Bret Hart
10) Brock Lesnar

My rankings may be off, but this is the best of the best on superstar and top guy status. The Clique is only meaningful to die-hard fans. Fukk all of them except HBK.

the undertaker and bret hart have no business being on this list.

and if youre going to go back beyond modern history to include bruno sammartino, then this list should be alot different.

They only had 1 PPV match during the attitude era...

so?

have they not wrestled since then?