Why Do Cubans Hate Castro So Much

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breh, idc, none of these people were "fleeing" when everyone else was poor and illiterate so why would anyone logically put their feelings before anyone else's quality of life.

im glad your family left you land but please also recognize your privilege in that compared to many haitians who havent even been left a meal, also please think of ways to use your privilege to help others rather than something to be guarded and protected so fiercely over the well being over another human being. also please be aware that your grandfather or father is not like, the hardest working haitian and that he probably didnt get everything in life from working hard (i think most american blacks work harder than most privileged whites no?) but rather proximity/luck/opportunity mixed with hard work (preparation). please dont play into the "exceptionalism" narrative that whites constantly use to stratify black social classes.

you keep making this about "american lifestyle" as if my black ass family doesnt have shyt they worked hard for as well. who gives an entire fukk when the rest of the world is suffering. the idea that people > things/property, i think, is a universal concept

either give back heavy or be prepared for the system to flop when people who arent so fortunate get tired of it
Doggy for your information my grandfather was a farmer. He worked the land from 5AM til 7-8PM everyday. His children (my father and his brothers) were the only help he had to help him farm and only 2 out of the 5 finished high-school because they had to work to help the family. His wife and her brother's wife would be the ones to take said produce to market. None of them EVER owned a car or truck. They carried this stuff on mules from Camp-Perrin to Les Cayes every day. That's 14 miles walking on a daily basis, doggy. ONE -WAY

My great-grandma had it slightly better than them but wasnt wealthy either from what i understand.

My father, when he turned 16 rebelled against his father (after his mom passed) and moved out. Thus why he decided to take on his mother's name thus why i have an Indian last-name (dads mom was from indian family that migrated from France during WWI to Cuba and then eventually Haiti). My father, because he was always rescinded his original last name and he also declined to inherit his father's possessions even tho he was the sole provider out of all the children when his dad got old. The land that I was left was because my cousin told me to not let it go to waste because when my father declined to take it his sister (cousisns mom) said it shoud at least be passed on to me and my sister (we were teenagers at the time). All of my fathers' siblings died poor.

My father was a mechanic who worked for a dealer when he was 17 while living in the streets of PAP. Again living in the streets of port-au-prince. There werent shelters like here. You can either crash at your boy's place every now and then and sometimes your boy cant accommodate you. He eventually started his own business and then moved on to be a contractor for FADH (haitian military) and Maison Raymond Flambert (Haiti's version of Home Depot) and various other merchants.

My mother came from a rich family in a way because her dad wad from money. But my mother's mother was poor and only had one child (my mother) with said privileged man who loved and took care of my mom but didnt leave my mom a dime after he died . He wasted it all on liquor.

While my parents worked their asses off to put me and my sister in a position to succeed it doesnt mean i dont sympathize with those who werent as fortunate. But if you think im gonna sit here and tell you im okay with some clown coming in to "redistribute" wealth that my family built that im responsible to maintain and build upon and eventually pass onto my niece YOU GOT ME fukkED UP. I will split open the head of any mofo coming at me on some "we taking this for the people" shyt. I love my country and i support our efforts to keep haiti for haitians but i also have a responsibility to my family who worked hard to acquire that 5 acres of land

So watch your fukking mouth with that "priviledged" talk . We worked and suffered for this shyt:stopitslime:
 
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Oh and @WheatThins , the indian woman who was my father's mother was not wealthy either. She was a young indian woman who fled Cuba in the 1930s and moved to Haiti after her family disowned her for not marrying a wealthy Cuban farmer they had arranged for her to marry. She lived with her cousin who had moved to Haiti years prior and eventually married my grandfather.

There i gave you all my family History. You find me that "priviledge" that i came from. Blood sweat and tears built this shyt, doggy. And its my responsibility to defend it.
 

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I said SOME of them, doggy.

I hear you. My paternal grandfather got land taken from him by L'etat under what in America would be called eminent domain...except he got no compensation for it.

Unlike Castro, Haitian govt. didn't do anything productive for the country.

It taught my father a lesson which benefited him greatly though. He came from Au Cap in a relatively good background. He knew that any situation or social position in Haiti was fragile, because at any given time...it could be taken from you. Instead of staying in Haiti and being a Grande Negre..he got out before things fell apart..started from scratch in America and laid the foundation for us. Others of his social circle didn't get it until it was too late.

No stability in Haiti then or now.....things are built on sand....figuratively speaking
 

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I hear you. My paternal grandfather got land taken from him by L'etat under what in America would be called eminent domain...except he got no compensation for it.

Unlike Castro, Haitian govt. didn't do anything productive for the country.

It taught my father a lesson which benefited him greatly though. He came from Au Cap in a relatively good background. He knew that any situation or social position in Haiti was fragile, because at any given time...it could be taken from you. Instead of staying in Haiti and being a Grande Negre..he got out before things fell apart..started from scratch in America and laid the foundation for us. Others of his social circle didn't get it until it was too late.

No stability in Haiti then or now.....things are built on sand....figuratively speaking
I hear you, doggy. I don't know what the circumstances were in your situation. My dad had some land taken by the state when they were building the Carrefour road (the second one by the oil tankers by the sea) but he got compensated for it. Not saying some people have never been done wrong. Just trying to tell these cats it ain't all people with some wealth that got it by being in cahoots with some regime. Look at that last long post I put up yesterday talking how my family came to have what little "wealth" they have.

Edit: oh... And my father died with the Haitian government owing him money for services rendered to the old FAD'H but my mom didn't have the patience to deal with all the bureaucracy to get it since it wasn't much according to her. Remember all them old firebird trucks and caterpillar equipment they used to have. My father was one of the local contractor working on them from like 1983 til 1999 when he passed
 
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I hear you, doggy. I don't know what the circumstances were in your situation. My dad had some land taken by the state when they were building the Carrefour road (the second one by the oil tankers by the sea) but he got compensated for it. Not saying some people have never been done wrong. Just trying to tell these cats it ain't all people with some wealth that got it by being in cahoots with some regime. Look at that last long post I put up yesterday talking how my family came to have what little "wealth" they have.

Edit: oh... And my father died with the Haitian government owing him money for services rendered to the old FAD'H but my mom didn't have the patience to deal with all the bureaucracy to get it since it wasn't much according to her. Remember all them old firebird trucks and caterpillar equipment they used to have. My father was one of the local contractor working on them from like 1983 til 1999 when he passed

Related to the Castro story though, my father always showed love and spread wealth with his people. Not sure if that was just his nature or if it was explained to him as a child how that helps insulate you from problems, but that's how he was.
I didn't know this until after he passed, and people told me stories of how he looked out for them in the past and how they owed him that I even knew he was like that.

My dad's family wasn't wealthy at all. But whatever the motivation was...he knew the importance of looking out for others. This is NOT the way wealthy people in Haiti (or Cuba) think or operate for the most part..now or then. In fact in some twisted island mentalities.....if I have 2 gourdes and you have 1...we are both poor but I feel superior to you and will do anything to keep that mental advantage. Imagine how the rich feel.
 

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Related to the Castro story though, my father always showed love and spread wealth with his people. Not sure if that was just his nature or if it was explained to him as a child how that helps insulate you from problems, but that's how he was.
I didn't know this until after he passed, and people told me stories of how he looked out for them in the past and how they owed him that I even knew he was like that.

My dad's family wasn't wealthy at all. But whatever the motivation was...he knew the importance of looking out for others. This is NOT the way wealthy people in Haiti (or Cuba) think or operate for the most part..now or then. In fact in some twisted island mentalities.....if I have 2 gourdes and you have 1...we are both poor but I feel superior to you and will do anything to keep that mental advantage. Imagine how the rich feel.
Not saying it's right but yep that's the way things work in the entire world. The way I see it Part of the reason why shytty homes in "good neighborhoods" are expensive. No matter what condition it's in the people of a cettain income level wanna make sure that it's not some random broke mofo that can afford to live on the same block as them. Sure the industry will sell it to you as "location,location,location" but the economic class is a factor too.


America sells you the dream that you can elevate yourself to any social rank "if you work for it" but I'm sure a lot of these "old money" mofos are cautious about who their daughters marry. Got forbid if you're black.

Same thing in the middle and working class. If you're in the working class making $95K a year you're not gonna wanna live in areas where most of your neighbors are working fast food. Not do you want your kids hanging with them neither because you claim they may be dealing drugs or whatever.

So you can swallow the kool-aid all you want thinking that there isn't an unwritten/unspoken social class in the U.S. but in a way it does exist here too
 

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Related to the Castro story though, my father always showed love and spread wealth with his people. Not sure if that was just his nature or if it was explained to him as a child how that helps insulate you from problems, but that's how he was.
I didn't know this until after he passed, and people told me stories of how he looked out for them in the past and how they owed him that I even knew he was like that.

My dad's family wasn't wealthy at all. But whatever the motivation was...he knew the importance of looking out for others. This is NOT the way wealthy people in Haiti (or Cuba) think or operate for the most part..now or then. In fact in some twisted island mentalities.....if I have 2 gourdes and you have 1...we are both poor but I feel superior to you and will do anything to keep that mental advantage. Imagine how the rich feel.
And another thing yes many haitians who came from poor beginnings and made a decent living do not necessarily associate with the poor.


A lot of the people that my father associated with were poor but I always remembered he forbade me from hanging out with kids that were not in his current social ranking. He kept in touch with allow this people because he did business with them and some of them he knew ever since he was little and was homeless. A lot of them he helped and gave them jobs. Others he did not really fukk with much.


But don't get it twisted he also had a lot of disdain for them. Mostly because of things he went through when he was struggling himself. People that were well-off or Rich treated them like shyt. One of the people he used to stay with was his home boy that he worked with. However his homeboys family did not like him so they would take every opportunity to make him feel uncomfortable when he'd crash over. When his homeboy would go out of town to see other family my father told me he would sleep in the streets and one time he showed me this one place where he slept for a couple of nights. And as he was showing me the place I remember the tears coming down his cheeks as he explained to me some woman was trying to get him to leave from the sidewalk and they threw a piss pot at him.
 

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I wasn't born in the island or been there but from what I've heard around here was that he took control over everything and tortured those who opposed him. He created a system where everyone gets equal things. Which you may think is fine, but it's not enough. Hearing stories of families getting one chicken a week, a cup of rice a day, etc. Imagine you're a doctor here and you the same as a McDonald's worker. It's like he decided what people did with their money and how much they got. Ain't no six certs ballers in Cuba. He also makes every child, or I think boy, join the military at like 13 or so. My dad left when he was 10 or 11 luckily. People like Castro because he created a system of equality especially during a time when civil rights was going on. But it's not worth it. There needs to be equality but also opportunity to grow. I've heard stories of how Havana was like the las Vegas of the past. Then when he came in and took over that all ended. Cubans hated Castro because he held people back from success. Imagine if you work hard in this country and the government says whatever you own is theirs. Not to mention all the political prisoners he took. People argue here about those who voted for trump and those who didn't, but over there you have no other choices. I'm surprised he lasted so long but of course with the Russians backing him and some of his citizens admiring him, I can see why.

This is the most nuanced view of Castro, I've ever read on here or anywhere else, bruh:salute:

why nikkas talking like he had some deep love for black people and rode out for them

If u wasn't his family or people you were treated just as shytty as everybody else

Dude helped TONS of African countries get free from colonialism. He's a hero in Africa to this day.

Nelson Mandela was one of his close personal friends, as was Malcolm X

I live in the US that doesn't sound much different:yeshrug:

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And another thing yes many haitians who came from poor beginnings and made a decent living do not necessarily associate with the poor.


A lot of the people that my father associated with were poor but I always remembered he forbade me from hanging out with kids that were not in his current social ranking. He kept in touch with allow this people because he did business with them and some of them he knew ever since he was little and was homeless. A lot of them he helped and gave them jobs. Others he did not really fukk with much.


But don't get it twisted he also had a lot of disdain for them. Mostly because of things he went through when he was struggling himself. People that were well-off or Rich treated them like shyt. One of the people he used to stay with was his home boy that he worked with. However his homeboys family did not like him so they would take every opportunity to make him feel uncomfortable when he'd crash over. When his homeboy would go out of town to see other family my father told me he would sleep in the streets and one time he showed me this one place where he slept for a couple of nights. And as he was showing me the place I remember the tears coming down his cheeks as he explained to me some woman was trying to get him to leave from the sidewalk and they threw a piss pot at him.

In the thread about relationship tension between the different nationalities of African people worldwide, I was trying to explain to people that whereas race is the main divider in America.....in "Black" countries....people are separated along class,tribal,regional lines.

Social class is a HUGE issue/distinction in Haiti and of course there are the color caste issues.
 

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In the thread about relationship tension between the different nationalities of African people worldwide, I was trying to explain to people that whereas race is the main divider in America.....in "Black" countries....people are separated along class,tribal,regional lines.

Social class is a HUGE issue/distinction in Haiti and of course there are the color caste issues.
That is what I've been trying to explain to a lot of cats.

Here the divide is by race, then by income. When an american young man/woman tell their parents they have a SO or are engaged the first thing your American parents want to know is what race said SO is. Then they'd ask what he does blah blah blah

In Haiti and most countries that are predominantly black the first thing the parent wants to know is what family are they from and what social rank do they fit into and what they do for a living. Race is one of the last things on their minds
 

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i see your point but idk if the countries you're using having similar or worse living conditions.
folks i know compare Cuba to Haiti
you cant compare Haiti fuk'd up living conditions to Cuba..thats ridiculous

funny enough Haitians are moving to Chile and Brazil
who do you think was the main military foot soldiers in 13+ year occupation in Haiti?who was charged?

Cuba wasn't part of America pact to put the finally nail in Haiti (2004), that was the other latin nations (Brazil, Mexico, DR, Chile etc)

who encourage Haitians to go to brazil for work? Brazil. Same with Chile

it's a bluff
 
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when i went to cuba last year and asked around they said they liked fidel

many cubans dissed raul tho, had this one guy saying raul was gay
 
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