Why Do Nas and Jay Get a Pass, But Eminem Doesn't ...

[Art Barr]

the argument was why Em' doesn't get a pass and I just told you why. You keep looking at the surface skill level as reasoning. Real heads know why he's not a great and will never be. Again, this is why I don't argue or debate with Eminem fans.

you really have no grasp of Eminem culturally to speak on him.
the problem with guys like you,..
you really are not cognitive about the culture.
yet, you try to come across as knowledgeable.
when, it is obvious to a real bboy,..
chu don't know what the fukk you are, talembout.

also,..when and where did Eminem sellout the culture of hiphop.
when and where did Eminem sellout the culture of hiphop, like nas and jay, did.
do I have to remind you,..Eminem was the last actual knight of the Templar.
after the roots, talib, and others completely soldout as his contemporaries.
that he was also, more skilled and actualized as an emcee.
to the point he rapped circles around, the sellouts like talib, to jay.
you keep going off on a tangent that is not culturally supported by fact.
plus, far and away from the discussion.

you keep trying to lump Eminem in with selling out and Eminem has not sold out.
he has even made music that encompassed his white roots from carni, to stolen blues and rock.
while supplying more actual content about being broke and poor with hof records.
that completely overshadow jay and nas, since his debut.

so what the fukk are you really talembout.........



art barr

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

you really have no grasp of Eminem culturally to speak on him.
the problem with guys like you,..
you really are not cognitive about the culture.
yet, you try to come across as knowledgeable.
when, it is obvious to a real bboy,..
chu don't know what the fukk you are, talembout.

also,..when and where did Eminem sellout the culture of hiphop.
when and where did Eminem sellout the culture of hiphop, like nas and jay, did.
do I have to remind you,..Eminem was the last actual knight of the Templar.
after the roots, talib, and others completely soldout as his contemporaries.
that he was also, more skilled and actualized as an emcee.
to the point he rapped circles around, the sellouts like talib, to jay.
you keep going off on a tangent that is not culturally supported by fact.
plus, far and away from the discussion.

you keep trying to lump Eminem in with selling out and Eminem has not sold out.
he has even made music that encompassed his white roots from carni, to stolen blues and rock.
while supplying more actual content about being broke and poor with hof records.
that completely overshadow jay and nas, since his debut.

so what the fukk are you really talembout.........



art barr

Show me where I once stated Em' sold out or that's what I even was hinting at. You added your own shyt into the mix and are now trying to make this about Eminem holding down the culture? Get The fukk Out.

 

[Art Barr]

Show me where I once stated Em' sold out or that's what I even was hinting at. You added your own shyt into the mix and are now trying to make this about Eminem holding down the culture? Get The fukk Out.

you just wrote an entire rant on Eminem.
that was not supported by fact, just a bunch of your speculation and bullshyt ass opinions, and conspiracy theories.

I am not going back to bold your rant, when I quoted it..
chu deflection based bytch nikka...
stop grasping for straws to save face.

you are completely offkey culturally about Eminem as an actual emcee.





art barr

 

[Don Dada Barbosa]

Cause Nas and Jay's shytty albums are more boring or mediocre than shytty. It's just shytty cause we're accustomed to expecting better from them. While most of Em's shyt is very, very bad.

And I'm an Eminem fan.

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

you just wrote an entire rant on Eminem.
that was not supported by fact, just a bunch of your speculation and bullshyt ass opinions, and conspiracy theories.

I am not going back to bold your rant, when I quoted it..
chu deflection based bytch nikka...
stop grasping for straws to save face.

you are completely offkey culturally about Eminem as an actual emcee.





art barr

if you feel i'm offkey about eminem and i don't know what i'm talking about then so be it. if you wanna be another nikka running to his rescue that's fine with me. i've already said my peace and confirmed my position. it isn't changing. i've already spent too much time debating the validity of someone i don't even fukk with.

 

[Methodical]

Eminem is Hip-Hop, period!. The fans don't know shyt but why Rakim, Jay-Z, Nas, KRS-One, Redman, other rappers love Eminem? but the fans don't like him?. Jay-Z would disagree with you, Nas would disagree with you, they all would tell you that Eminem is HIP-HOP.

 

[aRoMaN21]

i don't like Eminem like that but there's very few out there with the lyrical precision he has...and records sold..

so bc hes a cac to you, he's not a great.... yet he has rare lyrical precision to you and you give him props.


do you like him or do you not? im confused now.
if he wasnt a cac to you, could he be a great then??

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

so bc hes a cac to you, he's not a great.... yet he has rare lyrical precision to you and you give him props.


do you like him or do you not? im confused now.
if he wasnt a cac to you, could he be a great then??

breh...my opinion can't matter this much.

i already said he can formulate rhymes well in an earlier post. this has nothing to do with greatness.

he will never be great to me. that's it.

if you're indirectly asking, i'm not a racist.

 

[SubLyminalz]

Eminem is Hip-Hop, period!. The fans don't know shyt but why Rakim, Jay-Z, Nas, KRS-One, Redman, other rappers love Eminem? but the fans don't like him?. Jay-Z would disagree with you, Nas would disagree with you, they all would tell you that Eminem is HIP-HOP.

the same reason why krs one called lil wayne the goat

those nikkas look at em as a great technical lyricist which he is and always will be a all-time great at doing, but musically and album for album em probably wouldnt crack their top 10

 

[The Hovering Heed]

shout out to all the nikkas that cant accept Eminem as a goat .

yall remind me of the tea party .

 

[Methodical]

the same reason why krs one called lil wayne the goat

those nikkas look at em as a great technical lyricist which he is and always will be a all-time great at doing, but musically and album for album em probably wouldnt crack their top 10

I wouldn't put him in my top 10 but sure he damn better than Lil' Wayne, Rick Ross, Busta Rhymes,T.I., Jeezy, Drake, Kanye West, etc put it together. He can be in top 20.

Honestly, I even think Eminem is more hip-hop than Jay-Z if you think about it. Eminem cares about hip-hop more than Jay-Z does.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I wouldn't put him in my top 10 but sure he damn better than Lil' Wayne, Rick Ross, Busta Rhymes,T.I., Jeezy, Drake, Kanye West, etc put it together. He can be in top 20.

Honestly, I even think Eminem is more hip-hop than Jay-Z if you think about it. Eminem cares about hip-hop more than Jay-Z does.

nah hoe...

Jay does this for the culture, to let em know what a nikka look like when a nikka in a Roadster...

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Its all good my nikka

so what race are you today?

 

[SunZoo]

@SunZoo you can have this battle breh. i'm not really built for justifying and reiterating my stance over and over again and slicing it up piece by piece for you to digest it. i'm just going to stand firm in what i know and you're welcome to do the same. i'm not agreeing to disagree, but my last 4 posts said alot. it's possible that the way the argument was framed and reframed caused a slight shift in comprehending where i was coming from. the bottom line is that i don't believe eminem rightfully deserves a respected pass or place in hip hop's culture.

Had all you done was come into this thread and said that you don't don't respect Eminem as an MC for XYZ, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I would have simply let you speak your peace, just like I did when you decided to translate that simple statement into some sort of epic novel.

The things that went beyond that got pointed up and tip toed around until you finally just moved the argument all the way to "You can't love hip hop and be an Eminem fan".

what annoys me and ultimately why i'm withdrawing is when you decide to pick over the trivial shyt and overlook the real shyt.

I didn't even argue against your stance the FIRST time I replied to you because if that's how you feel there is nothing for me to argue about. I never intended to try and change your mind or even counter what you said until you started saying stupid shyt.

For instance, later in this post I see you clearly make a distinction as to what is or isn't hip hop in terms of what can or can't be expressed...this is something that can be argued against, because it really goes out of bounds.

And if you notice, our initial exchanged started with a couple statements that fit this same mold which is why I even replied to them in the first place, other wise I would have let you do your thing like everybody else.

there's nothing wrong with enjoying the music you enjoy. if Eminem makes you feel something (which btw would be impossible NOT to feel anything with a man screaming or a woman crying for her life) and he's been able to touch you in some way then that's your personal experience. they're crafted to shock the emotions from the shock value content. That's why i say he's a one trick pony.
eminem's whole MO from the door was to cloak himself under controversy and hide under his antics to deflect any sign of being "a good old boy" or "cooperative" with the agenda.

This is exactly the kind of shyt i'm talking about. Again, you go in depth about an artist that you say you aren't really into or have payed much attention to over his career. Which makes sense when you go on to assume that the records that I "feel" have anything to do with women crying for their lives.

I could drag this out, post an albums worth of material that I love/like that has nothing to do with shock value and it still wouldn't matter. As you said you have your position and don't intent to change it, and never had the intentions to try and sway you. I'm just calling you out on your BULLshyt

White people are known to get as fukked up and rebellious as possible on alcohol and drugs because it makes it seem like they have a don't give a fukk attitude.

Em's "I don't give a fukk attitude" was that of a angry, bitter white college boy who can only cope with pharmaceutical drug binges and releasing his psychotic, demonic fantasies on wax....and it got praised as groundbreaking. Am i saying those people shouldn't have a voice....no....but i am saying that's not hip hop.

I'm starting to think you aren't as real of a "head" as you say you are.

Hip Hop is about recognizing and overcoming the struggle....finding the pain and trying your best to turn it into something positive.Hip Hop is about finding your power and losing the victim mentality.

Ok, if taking your pain/struggle/hardship and turning it into something positive through expression is what hip hop is about...how does eminem not embody that?

Eminem promoted the "i'm a victim of a junkie mom and a trailer park so i hate everyone and myself" state of mind. He promoted constant paranoia, succumbing to his darkest demons and being satisfied, even gaining a sense of glory from being neurotic. let's not forget in the late 90's and early 2000's how prescription drug usage and adolescent pill popping in white america skyrocketed when this cac began his reign.

Ooohh, let me try one since we are drawing parallels.

How does this one sound? 2pac promoted a violent, reckless state of mind. He promoted black death, succumbing to his desire to be authentic, even gaining a sense of glory from being confrontational. Let's not forget in the mid-90's following his death how gang culture became that much more mainstream, to the point where we have nikkas false flagging to look solid it front of the rap audience and R&B singers banging piru on twitter.



It's not that hard to come up with some one dimensional, emotionally charged talking points to try and get a lame argument over the hump. I don't feel that way about 2pac, I love him and his music because he was one of the most unabashedly HUMAN entertainers to ever, he was flawed and self aware about all of it. But there are people who have reduced the entire 2pac phenomenon to that.

so i guess big pharma got a whole new generation of addicts from this music that "resonated" so well with everyone. and sure, you'll scoff and say b-b-b-ut white kids were doing drugs way before that. everyone was doing something but he made it cool to be angry, fukked up and demonic. It's one thing to clap a nikka for trying to set you up and another to behead and literally shyt on a stranger because you haven't had your meds. Hip Hop was never ever about that shyt.

Was hip hop ever about telling a nikka you gonna kill his kids on wax? And if you didn't notice, people have been talking about doing fukked up shyt to strangers since 88, unless you trying to say the geto boys aren't hip hop.



A lot of this other shyt below is either filler or you repeating the general sentiment that you don't respect Eminem as an MC, I get it, i'm not going to argue against that. What else is there? Conspiracy theory, Afeni vs. Debbie, c00ns, cacs,. Nothing else to address.

 

[Street Knowledge]

I've always felt rappers respect eminems ability to put words together but not the actual music.