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SunZoo you can have this battle breh. i'm not really built for justifying and reiterating my stance over and over again and slicing it up piece by piece for you to digest it. i'm just going to stand firm in what i know and you're welcome to do the same. i'm not agreeing to disagree, but my last 4 posts said alot. it's possible that the way the argument was framed and reframed caused a slight shift in comprehending where i was coming from. the bottom line is that i don't believe eminem rightfully deserves a
respected pass or place in hip hop's culture. sure, he's the GOAT in the
industry of hip hop and has an above average skillset for formulating rhymes.....but he will never have my respect as an MC because of what he represents. he's another archetype of those who came before him that coveted and capitalized off a culture while simultaneously marginalizing the rightful inheritors. if i sound mad, don't be mistaken. i'm not mad at anybody because at the end of the day he never personally took food out of my mouth or mentioned my name. i don't even know him to be mad at him.
what annoys me and ultimately why i'm withdrawing is when you decide to pick over the trivial shyt and overlook the real shyt. there's nothing wrong with enjoying the music you enjoy. if Eminem makes you feel something (which btw would be impossible NOT to feel anything with a man screaming or a woman crying for her life) and he's been able to touch you in some way then that's your personal experience. You wouldn't be the only non-cac that felt emotion when listening to an angst ridden eminem song. They're crafted to shock the emotions from the shock value content. That's why i say he's a one trick pony. eminem's whole MO from the door was to cloak himself under controversy and hide under his antics to deflect any sign of being "a good old boy" or "cooperative" with the agenda. White people are known to get as fukked up and rebellious as possible on alcohol and drugs because it makes it seem like they have a don't give a fukk attitude. Em's "I don't give a fukk attitude" was that of a angry, bitter white college boy who can only cope with pharmaceutical drug binges and releasing is psychotic, demonic fantasies on wax....and it got praised as groundbreaking. Am i saying those people shouldn't have a voice....no....but i am saying that's not hip hop. it's privileged, temper tantrum, entitled, brat rap. All he had to do was record it so the machine could mass produce it. Now that content is the greatest selling. The greatest selling is what will be immortalized. What's immortalized permanently shapes the value and message of what this culture represents. Because he outsold Pac and has sold the most, when it comes down to history (which will outlive us all) this is who and what will represent the artform.
Pac's I don't give a fukk attitude was
these cacs. I came from the bottom, rose from the concrete and they still want to silence me from telling the truth.
his mama was a crackhead and he still gave her praise and forgave her on record.....and that is a song that resonates in the heart...not in the deepest darkest bowels of a neurotic mind. Hip Hop is about recognizing and overcoming the struggle....finding the pain and trying your best to turn it into something positive.Hip Hop is about finding your power and losing the victim mentality. If you look at most of the common GOAT contenders, that's the subject matter that resonated and made them GOATS. They aren't getting passes, they gave us what was really real. They were the architects giving us the blueprints and maps, showing us the jungle and how to navigate through it....by any means.
Eminem promoted the "i'm a victim of a junkie mom and a trailer park so i hate everyone and myself" state of mind. He promoted constant paranoia, succumbing to his darkest demons and being satisfied, even gaining a sense of glory from being neurotic. let's not forget in the late 90's and early 2000's how prescription drug usage and adolescent pill popping in white america skyrocketed when this cac began his reign. so i guess big pharma got a whole new generation of addicts from this music that "resonated" so well with everyone. and sure, you'll scoff and say b-b-b-ut white kids were doing drugs way before that. everyone was doing something but he made it cool to be angry, fukked up and demonic. It's one thing to clap a nikka for trying to set you up and another to behead and literally shyt on a stranger because you haven't had your meds. Hip Hop was never ever about that shyt. Like I said, the highest selling hip hop artist ever both came from junkie mothers. One showed appreciation and love for what the struggle made him from her, and the other decided to rape his. And yea, these are just specific songs, not the entire catalog, but they do define largely what each represented. no, we don't all make positive music....we don't all make uplifting music....sometimes we make songs that say fukk the world...but we not about to make one about fukking our moms or killing our BM in front of our seeds for it to play out in graphic detail. But that shock value sure has a way of triggering your emotions to find a way to fear (or feel) that pain. Funny how right behind sex, fear is the biggest human emotional driver and addiction. So could it be that far fetched to use a little social engineering and psychology 101 when formulating strategies to gain and retain a cult following....without them even really knowing why they want to follow you so badly?
nah, it's just beats rhymes and life
Eminem is an attention whore who got his stripes by spoofing and coming at of britney spears, nsync, backstreet boys and christina augilera in the tough area of 42nd and Broadway at the TRL traphouse. His main nikka was Carson Daily for years
For the first 4 years of his career he NEVER called out another rapper....yet he was sooooo crazy and on edge.
He never said shyt on wax about a real nikka unless Dre, 50 ,Obie or any of those other D-12 nikkas was there. He couldn't even talk about Jermaine Dupree's midget ass without Dre backing him up.
Oh yeah....he did diss Mariah Carey all by himself
And you nikkas call Drake soft
but this is the cornball ya'll wanna defend and put in contention with real GOATS because every now and then his technical skills, combined with his pseudo outraged delivery and marketing machine fuse together and pop out one of his cac-tunes? He's a rappity rappin' ass cac and can rhyme shyt a myriad of different ways until he's blue in the face. But in the reality of the culture of Hip Hop he ain't valid. he gets no pass for being a battle rapper in the 90's and growing up white trash. is that supposed to mean something
White people that promoted apartheid live in Africa and call themselves Africans.
Cacs who rap and openly call themselves the modern day Elvis for stealing black culture call themselves Rap Gods.
And then there are the c00ns and cacs who are ready to agree with them.
I rest my case tho
