Why do so many people on Twitter HATE Bernie?

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He didn't hack the DNC and they didn't give any data to Manafort.

Wrong.

Bernie's camp hacked Hillary's voter data in late 2015 FYI

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/18/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-fight-explained/

 

[Dr. Acula]

Wrong.

Bernie's camp hacked Hillary's voter data in late 2015 FYI

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/18/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-fight-explained/

"Hacked"

Learn the meaning of the word. This is a problem of shytty programming. Not hacking.

What happened with Clinton and Sanders was apparently at the NGP VAN level. Both campaigns are using the same tool (NGP VAN) to access the same database from the DNC, but each campaign also has the ability to layer their own data on top of it. So if the basic record says "John Smith, Democrat, lives at 123 Fake Street," Clinton's campaign could add that he also made a donation to them in 2008, and Sanders's campaign could add that he volunteered at an event in Manchester.

The Clinton people aren't supposed to see the Sanders information, and vice-versa. But apparently a staffer or group of staffers for Sanders were using NGP VAN and noticed that some of Clinton's proprietary data was visible. The NGP VAN tool has one record for John Smith, and it's supposed to show the address to both Clinton and Sanders, the donation part to Clinton and the volunteering part to Sanders. But in this case, Sanders's team saw the Clinton information, too. (See update below.)

 

[Pressure]

It's already a conspiracy theory when you claim that he has "opposed" or "been hesitant to enact" tough sanctions on Russia when he has explicitly favored tough sanctions on Russia, when there are zero receipts of him opposing sanctions on Russia, and he has never been the vote stopping sanctions from being enacted.

He is on record numerous times voting against bills that would have placed sanctions on Russia. My issue here is that It seems you want it both ways. When he voted for the Crime Bill it's because "It was going to pass anyway." But when he voted against sanctions it was, "well, the bill passed anyway." Either his votes are on principle or we shouldn't hold him accountable because it didn't affect the outcome. Not both.




At this time the Trump administration had made it clear they were pulling out of the JPCOA.

You can't take a 2012 vote against sanctions on Iran and claim it was him being "opposed to tough sanctions on Russia" just because someone bundled them together. There were multiple other Democrats and Independents who also voted no, and none of them have the same silly conspiracy theory around them.

This is false and you're actually spinning up a conspiracy theory of your own. The 2012 Magnisky act only dealt with Russia/Moldova.

He DID vote for the strongest version of the Magnitsky Act in 2015. He didn't vote for the weaker 2012 version because it was tied with a normalization of trade relations with Russia which he opposed.

Again, Untrue. The 2015 version would have had the same issues as well, wasn't limited to Russia, and at best we can say that he didn't oppose them likely because a similar bill he voted against already passed.

Your argument sourcing is coming from a highly biased Bernie site attempting juelz facts into a narrative. None it removes the fact that Bernie will and should answer questions with regard to his foreign policy goals and Russia and expounding on his past votes.


Why Did Bernie Sanders Vote Against the Magnitsky Act?

 

[Pressure]

"Hacked"

Learn the meaning of the word. This is a problem of shytty programming. Not hacking.

Exploiting code vulnerabilities to access information you know you shouldn't have access to doesn't fall under hacking these days?

 

[storyteller]

Nap is horrified huh? Good sign...

 

[Russian Bot v.2.1]

who gives a shyt. no one but a few select idiots on twitter and dnc bootlickin' sambos care about the $4700 in google ads bought by Russian agents.

Most Important Problem

NO ONE GIVES A shyt ABOUT RUSSIA

 

[Dr. Acula]

Exploiting code vulnerabilities to access information you know you shouldn't have access to doesn't fall under hacking these days?

Nope and that isn't what happened. Basically data that wasn't supposed to be visible was visible because the programmer didn't implement proper security measures. There is nothing technical done to access the data, it was plainly visible to the Sanders campaign. This is like if you set your profile to private, yet due to bad programming, I was still able to see your profile and posts. The onus of failure isn't on me for simply using the software as it is (badly) designed, its on the programmer for not properly programming the security measure to prevent me from seeing your profile in the first place.

That isn't hacking. That is a security failure on part of the creator of the software.

Hacking would be making what under normal use invisible data, visible by exploiting the software through some sort of technical action.

The word hacking is a use of hyperbole in this case.

 

[the next guy]

Did Bernie ever explain why he voted against the Magnitsky act? And he didn’t vote on the derpisaka sanctions? Why?

Liberal conspiracy theorist none of that stuff answered my question, just someone else’s opinion on it. That’s a fairly hyper defense for what is a completely normal question. Yea i didn’t hear about anything with a scandal with his staffers, but yes the sanctions vote is more important.

I guess Regardless, if Bernie emerges as the 2020 dem candidate, I’ll vote for him. The Magnitsky and Deripaska stuff will always be suspicious. To not show up for a vote on Russia Sanctions in 2018, regardless of the reason (unless it’s health based) isn’t a good look.

Why not just ban lobbying outright? That would cover everything. No country or corporate should do what Russia, or SA, or Wal Mart do with politicians in this country.

Wrong.

Bernie's camp hacked Hillary's voter data in late 2015 FYI

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/18/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-fight-explained/

This is not russiagate.

Bernie should hire you as PR because he was smart enough to say any of the jibberish you just typed .

Trash establishment post. You're a complete poser to even say this.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

"Hacked"

Learn the meaning of the word. This is a problem of shytty programming. Not hacking.

Wrong again

time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.

The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.


The Clinton campaign called for a clear accounting of the breach.


“We were informed that our proprietary data was breached by Sanders campaign staff in 25 searches by four different accounts and that this data was saved into the Sanders’ campaign account,” said spokesman Brian Fallon. “We are asking that the Sanders campaign and the DNC work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign’s account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data.”


Moreover, the Sanders staffers who carried out the breach included a top lieutenant for the Vermont senator: Josh Uretsky, the national data director for the campaign.​

 

[the next guy]

"Hacked"

Learn the meaning of the word. This is a problem of shytty programming. Not hacking.

Yup.

Exploiting code vulnerabilities to access information you know you shouldn't have access to doesn't fall under hacking these days?

That's not full hacking breh, when you get a 404 error online that is the same process. Now russia did interfere with the Facebook propaganda ads, but the hacking like the hype that the 60 (er, 4) agencies said didn't happen.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He is on record numerous times voting against bills that would have placed sanctions on Russia. My issue here is that It seems you want it both ways. When he voted for the Crime Bill it's because "It was going to pass anyway." But when he voted against sanctions it was, "well, the bill passed anyway." Either his votes are on principle or we shouldn't hold him accountable because it didn't affect the outcome. Not both.




At this time the Trump administration had made it clear they were pulling out of the JPCOA.



This is false and you're actually spinning up a conspiracy theory of your own. The 2012 Magnisky act only dealt with Russia/Moldova.



Again, Untrue. The 2015 version would have had the same issues as well, wasn't limited to Russia, and at best we can say that he didn't oppose them likely because a similar bill he voted against already passed.

Your argument sourcing is coming from a highly biased Bernie site attempting juelz facts into a narrative. None it removes the fact that Bernie will and should answer questions with regard to his foreign policy goals and Russia and expounding on his past votes.


Why Did Bernie Sanders Vote Against the Magnitsky Act?

Bernie has voted against Russian sanctions 5 didfferent times for a range of "issus" that only he seems to have.

Everyone else seems to have problems passing legislation but only Bernie gets to "explain" things he has issues with.

I smell a fraud.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Wrong again

time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.

The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.


The Clinton campaign called for a clear accounting of the breach.


“We were informed that our proprietary data was breached by Sanders campaign staff in 25 searches by four different accounts and that this data was saved into the Sanders’ campaign account,” said spokesman Brian Fallon. “We are asking that the Sanders campaign and the DNC work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign’s account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data.”


Moreover, the Sanders staffers who carried out the breach included a top lieutenant for the Vermont senator: Josh Uretsky, the national data director for the campaign.​

Read what you posted again .

The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

The information was PLAINLY visible. This is like if a website didn't put asterixs or dots when you entered your password. It's a failure of software.

You are compelled to use loaded and frankly incorrect terminology for what happened because obviously you have an agenda. Of course the Hillary campaign is going to spin it as some sort of hacking attempt, when it wasn't, because it was politically advantageous to do so but their ire should be directed towards the makers of the program who made it where their data was visible when it shouldn't be.

Try again.

 

[the next guy]

Nap stop it. Black people on and offline are two different things.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Read what you posted again .



The information was PLAINLY visible. This is like if a website didn't put asterixs or dots when you entered your password. It's a failure of software.

You are compelled to use loaded and frankly incorrect terminology for what happened because obviously you have an agenda. Of course the Hillary campaign is going to spin it as some sort of hacking attempt, when it wasn't, because it was politically advantageous to do so but their ire should be directed towards the makers of the program who made it where their data was visible when it shouldn't be.

Try again.

You're being dumb.

Sanders IT guy had 4 different accounts downloading information from Hillary's data.

On top of that, you have Sanders campaign chief Tad Devine communicating with Manafort during the electon.

So Sanders camp did a voter registration hack

And Manafort was quarterbacking a hack now with the russians.

You telling me thats not suspicious?

 

[Dr. Acula]

You're being dumb.

Sanders IT guy had 4 different accounts downloading information from Hillary's data.

Nah I just know what hacking means. If I'm using the coli, and the creator of the site made all your personal information public, I'm not wrong for being able to see your information by clicking on your name through normal use of the site. You should bytch to cook for fukking up.

If you have an issue with them actually using the data fine. But this is politics and I would fully expect the Clinton campaign to do the same if due to some bad programming all the Sanders data was visible. I'm not going act aghast at this.

No "hacking" took place.